Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Another Assault on Our Road Use
Just when you thought Haringey Council's anti-residents parking assault had been beaten back a bit.....
Now the Council intends to spend more money it doesn't have on narrowing the borough's roads - including through routes - and further eliminating space to load, unload and park.
This time, the proposals are characterised as a "Kerbside Strategy". When I last looked, "kerbside" was either "road" and "pavement" separated by a kerb, and sometimes "road" and "verge" likewise.
Now, in a deceptively-worded policy trail in a Commonplace consultation at https://haringeykerbsideandevstrategies.commonplace.is, we are asked to accept that parts of "road" are to be made available available for other uses:
"The kerbside is the space that sits on the road next to the pavement. You might currently find cars, trees, cycle parking, or taxi bays here. Well-designed streets and spaces should benefit everyone, not just a few. We are considering proposals for other kerbside uses such as more trees, planting, car clubs, seating and outdoor eating areas and deliveries. "
The consultation that follows does not ask whether you agree to removing parts of the road for the other uses. It just asks questions as to what one would like to see or prefer for these uses. It also asks you to " Suggest locations for things you would like to see prioritised at the kerbside in Haringey." https://haringeykerbsideandevstrategies.commonplace.is/en-GB/map/Ke...
Some may disagree, but you may want to respond to the survey at Commonplace, and/or to tell your councillors that you do not want any further narrowing of roads or reduction of the limited space currently available for loading and parking in busy parts of the borough. The proposed narrowing at Turnpike Lane is a good example of a costly further restriction in an already slow-moving through road.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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YES; the ruling Party is sensitive to the (claimed) interests of narrow, sectional interests. They appear chronically unable to lead on behalf of residents and the public as a whole. On active travel, neighbouring Boroughs and even national governments (Labour and Conservative) are ahead of our transport-ultra-conservative local council!
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Permalink Reply by Sarah on
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Someone should explain the concept of "trip chaining" to them. If people use multiple modes of travel for example bus and walking, they are more likely to pop into a local shop on their way.
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Permalink Reply by Elizabeth M on
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The private traffic needs to do what the rest of us do and get on the buses.
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Maybe the term 'roadside' could also be used to describe the space on the pavement which is currently used for parked cars.
I'd certainly prefer to see pedestrians prioritised there.
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YES. There are already too many cars and many of them are driven too fast, creating hazard for other road users.
If road-widening has the effect of encouraging speeding, car use and ownership, then the corollary is that road narrowing should have the opposite, beneficial effect.
However the current proposals lack political leadership and support and are made largely for PR reasons. In progress on active travel, Haringey is probably among London's three most-retarded local authorities, but wants to be seen to be doing something.
Now and again the council encourages walking-and-cycling but continues strongly to enable car-use and ownership.
Some of the Borough's car-owners fail to recognise that they are in a minority of Haringey residents, but their sense of entitlement continues. Residents were not consulted about turning the carriageway infrastructure into a transport system that revolves around car-use and car-ownership.
Removing parking on Green Lanes in favour of a bus lane would be a great start.
It might, but such as start is unlikely due to the power of the business-owners. The council is much more inclined to listen carefully to their lobbying, rather than the interests of the wider community. "Green" Lanes will remain an open, running sewer of air pollution for the foreseeable future.
The current proposals are nice, but there is little prospect of progress.
Official, council-approved Pavement Parking is the clearest example of Haringey favouring one class of road-user over another.
Nearly four years ago, the council said they were "looking" at removing it, but would consult carefully. They listened carefully to car-owners and thus, net-zero progress was made on thinning parking bays from the Boroughs 100+ roads with parking over pavement.
The council, backed by the Highwaymen, is likely to remain on the side of the minority of car-owners and business-owners and not on the side of the majority of residents.
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Permalink Reply by hhnrau on
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Brilliant post Clive! yet again you've summed things up perfectly. I totally agree with your frustrations. Compared to neighbouring boroughs that are creating streets for people to live in, nature to thrive, tackle climate change, and make us more resilient to future floods and droughts we see tokenistic announcements but no genuine commitment or roll-out.
And if people like where they live they're much more likely to shop where they live.
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Thanks!
If anyone doubts the entitlement of car-owners, they need look no further than the very title of this thread where it is on full display;
“Another Assault on Our Road Use”
To parse this:
Assault = an attempt by a timorous local authority to even up the power relationship between different classes of road user
Our = ownership of the public carriageways by car-owners
Road Use = cars only; no other kind road users may apply
This casual entitlement stems from an unconscious but embedded car-centricity.
The council's car-centric Highwaymen are a bastion of this belief. A new breed of Highways engineer is needed; however the council are content with the current crew. No one is more satisfied than the current Cabinet Member for Highways who lavishes praise on them, and seems to see her role as retailing the opinions of the Highways Department.
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Permalink Reply by Nigel on
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Ah, Mr Carter.
Vehicles of all kinds use the roads. The roads are used by other wheeled transport, including those on 2 wheels. We are all road users -they are "our" roads. Pedestrians walk on the pavement and cross the road. They don't sit in the road nor should they.
A bicycle takes up less road space but it is by nature of less utility than a van, a car or a bus. It generally takes one person, is not suited to carrying bulky loads or longer distances and is not weatherproof.
The relationship between different classes of road user is directly related to their utility, space requirements and class numbers. The requirement is for road space for those road users, of which a significant majority remain in vehicles. It is that class of road user and their free movement which faces yet further restriction where no demonstrable need nor balancing advantage has been demonstrated.
Nobody is arguing for uncontrolled parking or obstruction of the highway by vehicles, the Aunt Sally raised in another post above. The roads should be kept moving as far and fast as is reasonably possible.
Were we to recast our cities, inner and outer suburbs wholesale to another model such as that of Amsterdam or we truly had the now-discredited "15 minute city", these measures might be apt. But they aren't.
Those of us who use cars and other vehicles are not necessarily "car-centric". Transport is a question of horses for courses. Many of us walk short to medium distances, take the the bus from time to time and the train into, out and across town. A car or van is used when the utility or convenience is not met by those means. The objection here is to the costly and wasteful further obstruction of vehicle traffic in and around the borough.
The Borough's Highways Dept staff are certainly not in thrall to any pro-motoring lobby. Quite the opposite, as is plain from the latest jargon-filled, anti-motorist "Transport Strategy" published bearing Cllr Seema Chandwani's name. The spread of LTNs and closed roads in the face of strong opposition from residents and simultaneously-narrowed main and trunk roads across the borough has markedly hindered vehicle mobility. Prime examples are Seven Sisters Road, most of the day, where 2 lanes have been made one and traffic lights phasing has been arranged to hold up much of the traffic that could otherwise get through. See also Turnpike Lane, West Green Road....
If your politics are such that you wish to restrict the use of vehicles on our roads, in particular private cars, then say so. Justify that if you can in practical, needs-based and cost benefit terms. This is not about "equality" where use, utility and numbers are not comparable, nor of "power relationships" unrelated to need or actual use. Could it be that use of or enjoying the car is outside your personal need or choice of transport - while for others it is an essential part of their daily life - and you dislike that advantage?
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Good points well made.
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I “wish to restrict the use of (motor) vehicles on our roads, in particular private cars.”
And I own a car. Confusing. It’s not my politics, it’s my not wanting car users speeding up and down the road I live on, taking a short cut to save 30 seconds, using technology that optimises urban road networks solely in favour of motor vehicle users, and to hell with everyone else.
On politics: before the last council elections, Haringey council had the largest ever combined traffic reduction schemes consulted, designed published and ready to go; they got 6 more seats.
In the mayoral election Farah London, an explicitly anti-lTN candidate, came 14th behind Count Binface, a man dressed as a bin.
At the last Tottenham Hale by-election, the explicitly anti-lTN candidate promised to "rip out" the LTNs in a part of the borough with no new traffic filters, surrounded by very large volumes of through traffic; he got 81 votes.
i think these schemes have strong opposition from people, no question. Just look at the 50 or so people, some of them residents, who turned up to the first anti-LTN protest, and the 20 or so people who turned up to the second, and the 3 that I saw who turned up to the third protest, outside Park View Academy. Strongly opposed.
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