Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Lausanne Road shouty-man
Umm - there's a guy in our street who frequently wanders up and down Lausanne screaming at the top of his voice. I appreciate he's obviously mentally ill (is it a halfway house he's living in??) but he's really aggressive.Is he being properly looked after? It doesn't usually last very long (max half an hour usually) and it seems to me like an adult toddler having a tantrum, but - does anyone else here find it concerning ? If I was a little kid living nearby I'd find it absolutely terrifying...
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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When it happens again ring the SNT (neighbourhood police team) ; 07920 233786. Sometimes your call will go to answerphone but they should eventually get back to you so leave a phone number. The SNT will have links to other agencies.
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Permalink Reply by andy thomas on
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I've seen him too and I'm pretty sure there is a halfway house in the street. There's a house where I've seen some strange goings-on in the front yard - I won't state the number here (PM me if you want it) but it's on the odd-numbered side.
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Permalink Reply by Stuart on
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We have had real problems on Effingham with a guy who stands outside no.71 and shouts/barks madly at all hours. He apparently lives there but there was talk of him being moved/rehoused. I wonder if it's the same bloke? Maybe you could PM me with a description?
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Permalink Reply by M on
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I'm very pleased that a meeting about the man at 71 Effingham Road is being held--we've been trying to get some action regarding the issue for over a year now. What would be even more welcome is if someone at the meeting would report its results, either here or to individual members who have expressed concern if that is more appropriate. Follow-through has been a big issue regarding this case--with each query to the council the reply has been that it was thought to have been dealt with already when it clearly hadn't (and, in addition to his behaviour, having police at the property for some days during the spring searching and guarding it but saying that they were unable to communicate what was happening was a little unnerving as well). So I'd welcome it if the outcome of the meeting and the actions resulting from it were communicated (subject to the usual caveats about appropriate privacy, etc.).
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Permalink Reply by sophie hautefeuille on
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Hello,
I live on lausanne road and have been quite worried about the boy you are mentionning. In the past 3 months, he has been more agitated and sometimes shouting "help, help" which is worrying. Have the carers recently changed or as you were saying, his routine been changed?
I would very much like to meet the team in charge of him to reassure us that he is well looked after.
I live accross the road and i do not feel he is a danger of any sort to the neighbourhood but i am concerned about his wellbeing. He is quiet at night and has never caused any trouble but it is troubling hearing the poor chap shout so desperatly... and i must admit i find it quite stressful when his episodes last a good half an hour.
Thanks for getting in touch when you have the time.
Sophie.
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I live on Lausanne Rd and I too don't feel he is a particular danger to anyone. But doesn't this episode demonstrate that the whole 'care in the community' idea is isn't working as intended? The very fact that people are writing into HoL to ask about individuals behaving strangely proves that the authorities responsible for placing these people into communities are not involving those communities (ie, us) and the scheme is falling apart!
If residents were told by the authorities (whoever they are) what is going on, about the setting up of halfway houses on the Ladder, about the behaviour sometimes to be expected from the occupants and what to do if we are worried about someone, then we'd be better placed to offer the community support this scheme is supposed to provide and help assist with their rehab. Telling us nothing and hoping no-one will notice anything just drives the issue underground - is the counceil/NHS scared/ashamed of admitting there are halfway houses on the Ladder?
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Permalink Reply by Laura W on
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I wonder if it would be the concern that residents might have a 'not in my back yard' attitude? (it depends on the circumstances I guess). Agree, though.
I personally feel much happier just knowing what the situation is. Glyn did phone me back to explain about the house and that there has been a change in routine in this case, which is really helpful to know - I do however hope it improves things for this guy - as Sophie says, it's been a few months, and is distressing hearing it, not knowing why, and wondering if everything's ok. You can't expect neighbours NOT to notice - or care, and we clearly do! Even relatively hermit-like people like me! A good thing, surely...
I'd hate to think of us all just shrugging our shoulders and going 'oh well - that's London life...nothing to do with me.'
Also at least when we ask about it on here we ARE getting information - and quickly. I for one really appreciate that - thanks Jono & Glyn.
The Effingham Rd situation sounds trickier though. Hope you get some info.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It wasn't the shouty man this evening but two of his flatmates beating one another, well, one doing most of the beating. I don't feel they're any particular danger to anyone other than themselves but they're certainly not being cared for properly. So the money saved on a babysitter is wasted on a police call out.
This is not "care in the community", is it?
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I walked past the shouty-man's house on my way home at about 8pm this evening and there were 3 police patrol cars parked outside and quite a few officers on the pavement. They were questioning one chap and there was another sitting in the front garden.
Talking to a neighbour who lived nearby, he mentioned there was another halfway house near the top of Lausanne Rd. As you say, neither the health services nor the community are providing any visible care or rehabilitation - the already overstretched police force are being called in to do this. Shouldn't we as a community be involved by the authorities and be told the best ways in which we can help these residents?
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Permalink Reply by CarlyM on
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I live very close to this property, which is supported accommodation for adults with learning difficulties. As discussed above, the shouting is pretty much daily, frequently distressing and as many have commented, no one who apparently works at the residence does anything to intervene or control it.
At the end of January 2010, I established contact with the 'Quality Assurance Manager' at the company that manages the house after a particularly distressing episode concerning the man who does a lot of shouting, during which the police were called. The manager told me that their client was about to undergo some changes to his routine to help him settle down. That was at the end of January - 5 months ago and if anything things have become worse.
The altercation last night (5th July) was also progressing unchecked by staff. Although I agree the men in question pose no threat to other neighbours, in this case a bin was thrown at my house and the house nextdoor, and one of the men in the grapple sustained a bleeding head wound. No staff from the property intervened, and my partner, who is a police officer, had to step in before the on-duty police arrived. Only then did staff from the property emerge.
It's too much and too often - there was another shouting episode at 6.30am today. I have written back to the manager detailing all of this. Like several of you on here, I am very concerned that the clients living at that property are not being cared for properly, and while I am a strong supporter of this kind of accommodation provision in the community, it shouldn't come at such a regular cost to our quiet enjoyment of our homes. I await a response from the manager but if I don't see real changes I'm prepared to take it to local councillors / MP.
Will update.
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So does your partner think we were right to call the police? I think it was a bit of a waste in the end and I got the impression that they did too.
Just to be clear, this was NOT the usual shouty man who is JUST shouty and in a quite heartbreaking way, often shouting because he has been locked out (once on a freezing day in January in a t-shirt).
I was definitely under the impression that they were mostly unsupervised. So if there is someone supervising them... can we have their cellphone number do you think? It could save three police cars, one van and at least eight "on duty" police officers being wasted on what truly is a "domestic".
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