Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Small child dies after council fail to fix problem.
I get that government cuts have had a devastating. I recognise there are individuals that go above and beyond. But in my experience there’s a jobsworth attitude that is often displayed by council staff. A lack of dynamism and tolerance of under performance. We also have a Labour group that seems to slavishly champion ideology rather than results.
is this child’s death the manifestation of that pervasive attitude?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7638699/amp/Baby-boy-aged-...
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Permalink Reply by Geraldine B on
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To link a tragic death with criticizing the Labour party when its cause is unknown and so early is very questionable.
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Permalink Reply by DTW on
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Eh? The cause is known. He fell out a window? A window that should have been secured and had been requested to be secured.
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Let’s take the mother at her word.
The window was faulty. The council were informed. They didn’t fix it for over 2 months.
Edited to ask where the prejudice is?
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Speculation is not prejudice though. And it’s an open question rather than a direct accusation.
I find the argument that we shouldn’t talk about something before *every detail is known* though a very poor one. Similar to when the NRA say gun control shouldn’t be discussed after a shooting. As Obama says sometimes you need more than thoughts and prayers.
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I am sorry DTW that my response to your post was so strong and it is not what i normally do. I usually shrug after reading HoL posts that i disagree with and move to the next thing. i felt emotional about the child's sad death. Many strange points were made though and I do still think it wrong to connect the tragedy with party politics.
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I agree it looks like the council have a lot to answer for here. It's pretty clear after the Grenfell disaster that councils/tenancy management organisations often don't listen or act on concerns of tenants whether through incompetence, laziness or something more sinister, and that can lead to disaster. It's not unreasonable to think that happened here, especially when that's where the evidence is pointing at present - they were told the window was faulty and did nothing.
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Permalink Reply by Martin (Woodside) on
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I know that I cannot summize on something before the full facts are known, but, it is possible that access may have already been attempted and the LBH were waiting for a known time when the tenant was in, from my experience as a domestic and business service engineer you will always be to blame for the time something is faulty even though you can't get access to it. Some of these flats have been sold off (like Grenfell), do we definitely know if it was a council problem?. Finally, if I was a parent in that flat, I would have made damn sure that my eighteen month old toddler would never been able to open that faulty window, it would have been taped-up or had a sheet of wood in front of it.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Above the 4th floor in a council owned tower block is unmortgageable so I think it's fair to assume that the council still own it.
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I agree with you 100%. Ultimately it is the parent's responsibility to keep their child safe. As you say, I would have taped the window shut. Having said that, the loss of a small child in these circumstances is utterly heart-breaking, and the poor mother must already been guilt-ridden so judgement is anything but helpful.
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Permalink Reply by gavin jackson on
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There needs to be a public education initiative by an incumbent government as to exactly what national newspapers and other national media outlets actually are and do and what their purpose really is.
The Daily Mail, the News Corp owned national newspapers and the Telegraph exist to disseminate and work to ensure the achievement strategic social, economic and political objectives of their proprietors. They employ marketing techniques such as constant daily repetition to achieve these. Hence the reporting of news becomes the framing of binary oppositions such as- in this instance, constantly and across all platforms- government bad, enterprise good...councils inefficient, private sector more so...low or no or flat tax good, other tax systems involving the common welfare or every person worse or bad. They consciously thereby perpetuate stereotypes and falsely disseminate information to take control of public discourse. The individuals who do this justify to themselves what they do every day is ethically okay in the same way that lawyers defend clients they know are guilty- ie. that they are professionals paid to act in a way preferential to the objective of their employer. It is not the same. It is deeply, fundamentally and shamefully wrong for individuals to work for such organisations in what are enterprises designed solely to advance organisational and proprietioral interests under the guise of reporting the news. What can be done? Ensure children and young people know this and actively choose to avoid such sources of information.
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correction-
...the common welfare of every person...
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