Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Lammy calls for People's Vote
Possible options are;
* the brexit deal, if there is one
* no deal
* stay in the EU
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-45616308
Time needed to ratify, organise and campaign for such a 'vote' would take around 10 months according to constitutional experts so, Article 50/29th March would have to be delayed, if possible.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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It's not a straw man. The initial referendum was a massive mistake and further referendums would not necessarily resolve the issue. We only had it because a weak prime minister was attempting to resolve a political crisis in his own party. Two wrongs don't make a right so another referendum would not fix this. We have to accept that there will always be people in Britain who don't like the EU, the same as there are a majority of people in favour of corporal punishment. Our parliamentarians should be sorting this out, not us.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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The major error in the referendum was accepting a 50.0001% result as a decider. For a matter this serious it should have been at least 60% or status quo.
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Our representatives in Parliament should just cancel the bloody thing. I think the Labour Party strategy is to keep pushing for Brexit and then say at the last minute (after they win an election that is held before the exit date) that they'll cancel it if they get dispensation on the state-aid rules. The EU really would look like evil overlords if they didn't agree to that.
Fat chance of it coming about but I wish people would stop criticising then for their stance. There are for more productive things to do.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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And people who voted for brexit have nothing to fear from a vote on the outcome of the 'negotiations' over the last 2 years. Like you say, part of living in a democracy. Unless of course they're worried that a good number of brexit voters have changed their minds. But if they have, it would be undemocratic not to give them a chance to express that. Strange old world ain't it.
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Well, at least our billionaires (and the PM) will miss the EU tax avoidance directive if we crash out in March. I quite like potatoes anyway.
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I love this - " General anti-abuse rule: to counteract aggressive tax planning when other rules don’t apply."
= no point wriggling - we got you anyway :)
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Permalink Reply by Abi on
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The GAAR is actually a very draconian piece of legislation that will also target all kinds of legal tax planning that many ordinary people don't even know they're engaged in, and opens the door to all kinds of abuse IMO. It will invariably be the 'little people' that feel the sharp end of it, and I have it on good authority that it's already coming into UK law anyway, Brexit or no.
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Income tax is pretty draconian too and hey ho, it's also ordinary people who feel the sharp end of that. I'd love just ONE example of legal tax planning that an ordinary person on PAYE might now know they're engaged in.
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Of course I meant "not know".
Over contributing to your pension to avoid income tax is not what ordinary people do. Ditto ISAs.
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I think you're just finding it incredulous that I would say "stamp out all tax planning" and that is exactly what voluntary pension contributions are.
The average ISA is £3000... the 20% tax on the interest on that, is justification for the more complex measures undertaken by the very wealthy. It needs to stop.
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And I said we should be happy to see those go. I don't see a problem with this legislation. Even middle class people who might lose out on a couple of hundred pounds a year would benefit from the extra tax money that could be spent on things like schools and the NHS.
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