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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Cafe Opera, trying to present itself as a hip and trendy but advertising for 'Waitress'. 

I hope the Green Lanes Traders Association is reading this ... get your house in order!

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I'm starting to turn a blind eye to some of these practices. The overcharging on debit cards for instance. We're very lucky to have these places and a young man is very entitled to apply for that job.

Excellent suggestion!

Go for it! The self identification as a woman movement has LEGS.

ion the few occasions I was there I was served by men, who were so perhaps they are trying to employ a woman in order to even it up a bit?

what a ridiculous comment. 

Would you prefer it if they advertised for both sexes with the intention of hiring a waitress... surely this would just be wasting peoples time. 

Clearly sexism but just bringing another view to the discussion. 

But then if their intention is to hire a female is this not wasting the time of male applicants ? 

Yes very true... good point. 

Sometimes it's in the translation....

According to google translate (yes, I know, a reliable authority) Garson translates as waiter, irrespective of gender

Garson Kiz is Turkish for waitress

in which case, of course, people criticising may have fallen into the trap of unwitting (institutional) racism

Life is complicated, isn't it

This was my first thought too, Michael.

As I understand it, the Turkish language doesn't distinguish the gender of a waiter or a waitress. So it may be that if someone is writing English as a second language, they've made the same assumption about how English works - but don't rely on me for that interpretation, ask a native Turkish speaker!

Neil, I agree with you that your use of "these people" is a very bad choice of phrase. In fact, ironically, its combination with "Ottoman era" in the preceding sentence does mean that the overall tone of your original post appears, on the face of it, to be somewhat discriminatory. 

(Replying to now self-deleted comment by Neil T about his editing of the original post following comments by others)

Good show. A couple of last things. I think Cafe Opera closed and has been taken over by new owners.  I don’t know what style the new owners will go for. As to the Harringay Traders Addociation (I assume you mean), even if the former owners or the current ones were members, the HTA have no authority over them. 

Just something I heard from another bar owner on the Lanes. If they have closed I’d imagine it was through want of trade. 

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