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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Southgate in Colour in 1951 (and the Harringay connection)

The original video has been removed from Youtube. I think it was probably the one still online at Youtube here.  There’s another (or possbibly a different cut of the same one) here.

I couldn't quite resist the charms of this old film even though it's a bit of a ways off for us. It paints a very cosy picture of a relatively nearby area just 60 years ago and the scenes it shows probably give a good idea of around here some fifty years before that.

And I can almost be excused since there is a local connection. As luck has it, the building you see in the picture in the video thumbnail is the Friends Meeting House in Winchmore Hill. It was here where the parents of Edward Gray, the builder of Harringay House, are buried. (Though no grave marker remains). (Shows at about 21 mins).

Gray's brother, Walker Gray, owned a property in the area called Southgate Grove (also called Grovelands). (Shows at about 20 mins). Built by the same family and at about the same time as Harringay House, I fancy this house gives us some sense of what Harringay House looked like. It subsequently passed by marriage into the Taylor brewing family.

And the final part of my excuse is Arnos Park which belonged to the Walker family, Quaker brewers and cousins of the Gray family. (Shows at 9.30 mins).

The Taylors and the Walkers together formed Taylor-Walker brewers.

So there is a local connection after all you see. I do have an excuse!

Thanks here to Angela Burge with whom I collaborated virtually to build up the Gray family tree.

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Comment by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on June 21, 2011 at 22:57
I hope General Pinochet enjoyed his stay at Grovelands with all those peace-and-beer-loving Quaker ghosts around Hallowe'en 1998.
Comment by Melvyn on June 22, 2011 at 6:19
great find
Comment by John Shulver on June 15, 2024 at 18:20

"Video unavailable" !   Such a pity, I would loved to have seen that.  I have a photo of my grandmother with a group of nurses and recuperating soldiers in 1916 outside Grovelands when used as a hospital.     And there has been a years old tale where an auntie, employed as a servant girl, gave birth to a child whose father was reputedly/fancifully rumoured to be the squire of the house...a Lipton of the tea fame. Probably not "quite" true but the poor lady died in or soon after giving birth.   My Mother's childhood home was in Ivy Road, Southgate.

Comment by Hugh on June 15, 2024 at 20:08

See links in new 1st para, John.

Comment by Richard Woods on June 21, 2024 at 16:23

Thank you yet again Hugh. Southgate was at the limit of my Hornsey Journal days but during my spell as sports editor I was invited to several club dinners - cricket, football, tennis and rugby so got to visit several establishments, especially the Cherry Tree I think it was. Broomfield park brought back happy childhood memories. I and my brother sailed yachts, raced jet powered hydroplanes ( honest using a thing called a Jetex motor of which i still have one!). And we loved the museum although were nervous of he amazing glass displayed bee hive.  Happy days. Thanks again!

Comment by Basil Clarke on June 28, 2024 at 11:41

I think the video is among those available for £5 from Southgate District Civic Voice


Comment by John Shulver on July 3, 2024 at 16:40

Thanks for those links Hugh......enjoyable nostalgic scenes. Memories of childhood.  I will try and add photo of my grandmother at Grovelands soon.

Comment by John Shulver on July 5, 2024 at 16:59

Harringay.......My Southgate Connection.   

Our Mum, Florence Adelaide Sandford (Shulver), 1915-1977, was born in Southgate, March 1915 and lived in a terrace cottage in what is now known as Ivy Road (originally named Travers Road till around 1920s I believe), youngest of 7 surviving children. The First photo shows her with an older brother, Alfred, outside their family home, possibly early 1920's.

The second photo shows her mother Maude Emily Sandford (1874-1950) standing in the back row 2nd left in black.  The photo shows nursing staff, servants(?) with recuperating soldiers of WW1. The tablet in centre reads:

"GROVELANDS, 1916. DOING our BIT for the B'HOYS" 

Also the handwritten message in ink

"Best Wishes From.....??? 

Maude's husband Charles (1877-1915) was killed in action in France May 1915!

Nan (Maude Emily of above photo)  not only lost her husband to the war but also a son, George Henry, 1897-1918, killed in action in Belgium, 23rd April 1918.

Comment by Hugh on July 5, 2024 at 17:32

Great photos, John.  That handwritten message is very faint. I played about with the photo's level etc a bit in an effort to see the writing, but the best I can make out for the sender is "Alex". Would that make sense? I've also edited to photos a bit for clarity.

Did you read in the main para of the link between Grovelands and Harringay?

Comment by John Shulver on July 5, 2024 at 18:28

I'm glad you like those photos Hugh. I was rather chuffed at my efforts on succeeding of putting them on.

I see you edited the photos. That accounts for the quality!! They look really good Hugh. Thank you.

"Alex" doesn't strike any connection sadly Hugh. I had assumed it was possibly linked to the soldier upon which it is written ??

I did click the Grovelands link but it just came up as "Page 404 not found"!

I might try and put these pics on Southgate History Group........or whatever it is.

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