Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay, Hornsey or Green Lanes? The 1888 view...
As we all know, there is a constant debate about whether our illustrious neighbourhood should be called Harringay, Green Lanes, Harringay Green Lanes, Hornsey or some other permutation of these names.
I was in St. Paul's vicarage on Wightman Road last night to help the new curate to sort out a load of old papers that need to be kept somewhere else - most are probably going to the London Metropolitan Archives - and we came across a bound volume of parish magazines, going back to the very first edition in January 1888. Here is what was published therein on the subject of the name of the area:
"In some old books and maps, and in some not very old, we find the old parish of which we form a part is described as "Hornsey or Harringay," though the spelling of the latter name varies. The old village or town of Hornsey is content now to use the former name alone, and we, on the ground once attached to Harringay House, may well use the latter graceful word, and make it the special property of our district, which the Great Northern Railway help us to do by calling their station "Harringay," which is close to the site for our church."
(Note that this was written before the "original" St. Paul's Church was built on the corner of Burgoyne and Wightman Roads, but after the "Iron Church" had been established at the Green Lanes end of Burgoyne Road.)
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Permalink Reply by Justin Guest on
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Thanks- understand about how difficult it wold be to copy etc. The point I was making was more about it being forgotten locally if that makes sense. In a few years we may not remember this resource is available. Anyway, a coy of the relevant sections will certainly help. Well done for sharing this.
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Permalink Reply by Bethany Burrow Atherton on
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Also - all the WW1 related stuff is going, in one form or another, on the Harringay Remembers site we've set up for sharing the church war info - that site is being archived by the British Library (they take a snapshot every 6 months), so even if we decide to stop it at some point in the future, it will still be on record.
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Permalink Reply by Richard Woods on
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Talking about St Paul's reminds me of a charming vicar of the 50-60s - The Rev C Derek Bond. The church was always more 'modern' than its counterpart at the top of my road (Frobisher) which was St Peter's and then officiated over by the Rev (S?) Bradford - where the Rev Bond was always Derek or Mr Bond, the Rev Bradford was always Father Bradford and he swung the incense and I think craved audience with HHtP in Rome!
Over in Hornsey they had a rector, the Rev Sam Kemble, an absolute gem of a man. He would go to the Hornsey (Vale?) pub on a Saturday in mufti and drink a pint or two. If asked what he was doing there he would say: "Well they might not come to my place but that's no reason I shouldn't come to theirs". Super chap.
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Thanks for sharing these memories, Richard! I've recently found a couple of pictures that I think might be of Derek Bond - I'll eventually get round to sharing and you can tell me if I'm right.
I've also heard that story about Sam Kemble as well!
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Permalink Reply by Lauren on
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Hello Richard,
I am Sam Kemble’s granddaughter. I googled my grandad’s name and this forum came up. It is so lovely to read a fond memory. I have just recently moved to the Harringay area. Do you have any more memories of my grandad?
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Of more recent note N4 and N8 provide a clue to where the line is - as Hugh says the estate is later than the commentary quoted. My address was N8 and after I left Stationers Grammar School a master told me I would not have got in if I had been in N4... hmmm. Green Lanes is older but vastly exceeds the limits of Harringay - which seem a good enough name for all time now.
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