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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

The rebranding of our neighbourhood is about to become a live issue again with the Council asserting its claimed right to choose what we're called for the signage to be erected as part of the 2013 regeneration work.

The tussle over Harringay's name has been going on for over a hundred years. Throughout that time it seems to have featured a struggle between the Council, on the one hand, claiming a right to choose and the local people, on the other, demanding a right to self-determination. 

Over a hundred years ago, and long before the creation of Haringey borough, Hornsey District Council decided to change the spelling of Harringay Neighbourhood to Haringey. Local people took exception at this imposition from above and resisted the change. The opinion was expressed by, amongst others, the Harringay Ratepayers Association who represented the people of one of three Harringay Wards. Theirs was in part of what is now St Ann's Ward. The legacy of the struggle can be seen today in the signage along the Harringay Passage.

Local people won the day then and our name was safe until the latter part of the last century when the Council administration decided they had a right to change Harringay's name. Haringey Councillor and cabinet member, Nilgun Canver explained a couple of years back:

Too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and I’m afraid it refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the Gardens

It's odd to see the modern day Haringey Labour party, erstwhile representatives of the people, following in the footsteps of the Tory burghers of Hornsey Council. Moreover, I'm afraid this argument just doesn't wash with me. The inhabitants of countless other London boroughs seem to manage perfectly well with boroughs and towns that bear the same name. Islington, Hackney, Camden, Enfield and many others all survive. Perhaps the real issue is that a name was chosen that doesn't share the same name as the Council's chosen administrative capital as it is the case for all the other London boroughs I've mentioned. Their vanity perhaps requires that it should do so. But is this reason enough for us to be stripped of our historical name?

For many people, this whole issue may seem esoteric and rather irrelevant. However, I'm not alone in taking a rather different view. My belief is that for our neighbourhood to thrive and for people to identify with it, it needs to have a single name. Right now, as the traders magazine posted through your door just before Christmas bears witness, we have at least three names. How can our identity and distinctiveness be developed when this is the case.

I said just now that I wasn't alone in taking a stance on this. In New York, Democrat Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries thought the principle involved in the issue was so important that he introduced the Neighbourhoods Identity Act, requiring New York City to develop a community-oriented process of community agreement before neighbourhoods can be rebranded or boundaries redefined. 

I'm with you Hakeem.

So then, which name? The current variants are:

  • the original Harringay
  • Harringay Green Lanes
  • Green Lanes


Others have been suggested including Harringay Park and Harringay Village.

My choice is simple. I stick with Harringay. Why? Two reasons. Firstly, that's the name we've had for 130 years and I see no need to change it. Secondly, the other names don't work for me. Green Lanes is a road that runs from Newington Green to Enfield. If avoidance of confusion is the aim, this doesn't do it. Harringay Green Lanes is a three word name. Three word names don't stick. Most of them tend to get abbreviated to the first word of the name anyway. Kingston-upon-Thames for example is more commonly called Kingston. St Martins in the Fields is known as St Martins, and so on.

I suppose there is a third reason for me and that's just that I don't like people asserting rights over me that I don't believe they have. I don't believe that the Council or the Green Lanes Strategy Group have the right to change the name of the place I live in, no matter how much good work they may do. That just bridles. No, I'm with the thoroughly democratic instincts of Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. Even if I am a voice in the wilderness, I say if there's any need to tinker with the name of our neighbourhood, then let the community decide what it should be.

In 2013, as things stand the Council and the Green Lanes Strategy Group will assert their right to brand your neighbourhood as they see fit as part of the Harringay regeneration project. I was promised that the community would be given the right to choose and to influence the way that choice was made. In a  few recent email exchanges I have detected the possibility of more than a little back-pedaling on this issue. 

So, once I have written this post, I will email Councillor Canver, Chair of the Green Lanes Strategy Group to ask for her public commitment that the community be given the determining voice in what our neighbourhood is called.

Amendment

The following paragraphs were added as a comment to this thread by the original author on 5th Jan 2013. Since they cover key issues, and I have been told the comment is hard to find, I have copied them in below:

Having picked up on Alan's suggestion to refer to the legal situation for changing an area's name, a relatively quick spin through sources available has turned up some interesting information.

1. A neighbourhood name has no legal status.

2. The closest approximation for any legal status is contained in quasi-legal or "official" gazettes, such as the Royal Mail's PAF Gazette.

However, even though the information they contain is official rather than legal, it's fascinating to see what lengths the Royal Mail has to go to in order to change the name of a neighbourhood.

Their guidance details a three month consultation process in order to allow changing the name of a neighbourhood in its gazette. The process includes writing to every address affected as well as the MP and other official bodies.

3. Street names and numbers are governed by law, as Alan was told. The relevant legislation is the Public Health Acts Amendment Act of 1907. It says:

The local authority may, with the consent of two-thirds in number of the ratepayers, and persons who are liable to pay an amount in respect of council tax, in any street, alter the name of such street or any part of such street.

So, there is no law that governs the naming of neighbourhoods, but there are principles of justice aplenty that should guide the Council in how it behaves in a situation when it seeks to change an area's name.

As Planning Organisation, Planning Sanity puts it, a neighbourhood is:

" an area where inhabitants live and that it is their state of mind as to what constitutes their neighbourhood. A neighbourhood should not be seen to correspond to any legal or physical division, but more as a social concept, the evidence for which may be given by the people who live there."

If we take as a precedent the principles enshrined both in law and official practice and the opinion of urban experts, I can find no precedent or reference to any principle of justice which suggests that a name change can or should be imposed from above by a person, group of persons or body. At every turn I find evidence confirming my belief that the naming of a neighbourhood belongs to the people who inhabit it and should only be changed with painstaking consultation. It seems extraordinary then that any elected member or officer should even be considering  taking it upon themselves or a small semi-official body to rename a neighbourhood however well meaning might be their intent.

In other areas where a change has been sought, consultations have been the norm. Staines is the most recent example.

It's difficult not to wonder, if a Council is prepared to cut corners on allowing local people self-determintaion in less weighty situations such as this, where else are such 'efficiencies' made at the cost of democratic justice?

I remain convinced that unless and until we have a proper process whereby local residents approve a change, the Council should in all documents refer to Harringay as Harringay. 

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My attempt at gentle satire, Hugh, was not to belittle your comment. But to suggest that seeing it as one hundred years of struggle between the Council and the people's demands for self-determination was bigging-up the issue just a teensy bit.

I'm a bit fed up with local councillors belittling our attempts to protect our name too, hence losing my rag on Twitter yesterday with Councillor Canver. I think it's in Phil101 that you learn that the argument "but this issue is more important than that one" doesn't hold up. This costs the council money to fight us. Our taxes, which are supposedly very precious now, are paying people in the council who oppose us. Perhaps they are the "branding" people Clive despises. Who knows?

The Torys would love to big up this issue just a teensy bit - "Haringey spending money fighting citizens right to self determination". I'm sure a mendacious young journalist could make even more of it.

I'm afraid for me, Alan your attempt was wide of the mark. I took from it that you see the issue as unimportant and so swept it aside.

A pretty unedifying display from you, Councillor. Isn't satire supposed to do a little more than just belittle another's point? The Council have shown themselves to be deaf to the issue. Are you suggesting that Hugh should play it down?

The council's (of which Alan is still a part) issue is that they want things to be like this:

Hackney, Finchley, Hornsey... Haringey.

But the pronunciation of the existing neighbourhood of Harringay has imposed itself on the spelling of the Borough of Haringey. Perhaps if we asked the major media outlets to pronounce the name of the borough correctly they'd leave us alone but make no mistake, the council feel a deep desire to kill the name Harringay - and Alan is a Haringey councillor - this is part of his job.

John, do you really believe that it's part of my job to be a hit man and kill the name Harringay? Or that the entire Council hive-mind has some deep desire to do so? 

Deep Desire?  Kill?  Part of my job?

I do hope you're not trying out a bit of New Year's Eve satire. (Or maybe it should be spelled satyr?) I'm told the humour doesn't travel across Green Lanes mid point. Happy New Year to you too!

I left out Stepney and Bermondsey (any others?). Can the case for the prosecution get any more water tight? A precedence has been set in London and no way are those "special" people between Manor House and Turnpike Lane going to get away with bucking against it.

Thanks, Andrew. Though it's still too early on New Year's Eve to debate the true purpose of satire. In the meantime, a happy, healthy, prosperous and humorous New Year to you!

If our arguments for Harringay can't take in their stride a little gentle ribbing from the one councillor who has been a consistent supportive presence here for 5+ years, maybe we need to find better arguments.

If enough of us on this site are convinced that 'Harringay' is the name and the only name we'll tolerate, then withholding of Council Tax is the obvious next step for any self-respecting Civil Rights Movement. We should start getting our prison gear ready now. In the event that they don't have cells for our 5,000+ members, you will soon see the razor wire and lookout posts going up around Duckett Common. In the interests of our older members, we should try to ensure that this crunch point comes well after winter. Remember: no fratting with the Enemy - councillors, PCSOs and other securicrats.

On the other hand, if we're not that serious about 'Harringay', maybe we should just go back to worrying about stray cats. That's something we're good at.

Look here's the rub, summed up by new member Mohammed over on the Review of the Year thread:

just recently moved to Harringay but yet still hard to describe to friends where I live with the confusion in the map (harringay, harringay green lanes, green lanes and haringey) add it all. 

So just how successful has this policy of renaming Harringay been? Mohammed's sentiments are ones we're all familiar with, yet few if any inhabitants of Hackney, Camden, Islington etc ever have the same issue.

Let's just stick with the name we were born with folks.

Stoke-on-Trent became a city in 1925 (A borough since 1910) of which the city centre is called Hanley, there is also a town in the city called Stoke-upon-Trent that makes up the six towns. Harringay is not unique.

I agree, an official consultation and local referendum would put this to bed

Do you never refer to it as Harringay, Green Lanes? I wouldn't mind if it was Harringay primarily and Green Lanes underneath in a smaller font on one line ?

Just for you Hugh:

That's more like it!

No, I never use HGL. If I need to clarify, I'll explain 'neighbourhood rather than borough ....... The bit between Finsbury Park an Turnpike Lane'.

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