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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

The rebranding of our neighbourhood is about to become a live issue again with the Council asserting its claimed right to choose what we're called for the signage to be erected as part of the 2013 regeneration work.

The tussle over Harringay's name has been going on for over a hundred years. Throughout that time it seems to have featured a struggle between the Council, on the one hand, claiming a right to choose and the local people, on the other, demanding a right to self-determination. 

Over a hundred years ago, and long before the creation of Haringey borough, Hornsey District Council decided to change the spelling of Harringay Neighbourhood to Haringey. Local people took exception at this imposition from above and resisted the change. The opinion was expressed by, amongst others, the Harringay Ratepayers Association who represented the people of one of three Harringay Wards. Theirs was in part of what is now St Ann's Ward. The legacy of the struggle can be seen today in the signage along the Harringay Passage.

Local people won the day then and our name was safe until the latter part of the last century when the Council administration decided they had a right to change Harringay's name. Haringey Councillor and cabinet member, Nilgun Canver explained a couple of years back:

Too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and I’m afraid it refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the Gardens

It's odd to see the modern day Haringey Labour party, erstwhile representatives of the people, following in the footsteps of the Tory burghers of Hornsey Council. Moreover, I'm afraid this argument just doesn't wash with me. The inhabitants of countless other London boroughs seem to manage perfectly well with boroughs and towns that bear the same name. Islington, Hackney, Camden, Enfield and many others all survive. Perhaps the real issue is that a name was chosen that doesn't share the same name as the Council's chosen administrative capital as it is the case for all the other London boroughs I've mentioned. Their vanity perhaps requires that it should do so. But is this reason enough for us to be stripped of our historical name?

For many people, this whole issue may seem esoteric and rather irrelevant. However, I'm not alone in taking a rather different view. My belief is that for our neighbourhood to thrive and for people to identify with it, it needs to have a single name. Right now, as the traders magazine posted through your door just before Christmas bears witness, we have at least three names. How can our identity and distinctiveness be developed when this is the case.

I said just now that I wasn't alone in taking a stance on this. In New York, Democrat Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries thought the principle involved in the issue was so important that he introduced the Neighbourhoods Identity Act, requiring New York City to develop a community-oriented process of community agreement before neighbourhoods can be rebranded or boundaries redefined. 

I'm with you Hakeem.

So then, which name? The current variants are:

  • the original Harringay
  • Harringay Green Lanes
  • Green Lanes


Others have been suggested including Harringay Park and Harringay Village.

My choice is simple. I stick with Harringay. Why? Two reasons. Firstly, that's the name we've had for 130 years and I see no need to change it. Secondly, the other names don't work for me. Green Lanes is a road that runs from Newington Green to Enfield. If avoidance of confusion is the aim, this doesn't do it. Harringay Green Lanes is a three word name. Three word names don't stick. Most of them tend to get abbreviated to the first word of the name anyway. Kingston-upon-Thames for example is more commonly called Kingston. St Martins in the Fields is known as St Martins, and so on.

I suppose there is a third reason for me and that's just that I don't like people asserting rights over me that I don't believe they have. I don't believe that the Council or the Green Lanes Strategy Group have the right to change the name of the place I live in, no matter how much good work they may do. That just bridles. No, I'm with the thoroughly democratic instincts of Congressman Hakeem Jeffries. Even if I am a voice in the wilderness, I say if there's any need to tinker with the name of our neighbourhood, then let the community decide what it should be.

In 2013, as things stand the Council and the Green Lanes Strategy Group will assert their right to brand your neighbourhood as they see fit as part of the Harringay regeneration project. I was promised that the community would be given the right to choose and to influence the way that choice was made. In a  few recent email exchanges I have detected the possibility of more than a little back-pedaling on this issue. 

So, once I have written this post, I will email Councillor Canver, Chair of the Green Lanes Strategy Group to ask for her public commitment that the community be given the determining voice in what our neighbourhood is called.

Amendment

The following paragraphs were added as a comment to this thread by the original author on 5th Jan 2013. Since they cover key issues, and I have been told the comment is hard to find, I have copied them in below:

Having picked up on Alan's suggestion to refer to the legal situation for changing an area's name, a relatively quick spin through sources available has turned up some interesting information.

1. A neighbourhood name has no legal status.

2. The closest approximation for any legal status is contained in quasi-legal or "official" gazettes, such as the Royal Mail's PAF Gazette.

However, even though the information they contain is official rather than legal, it's fascinating to see what lengths the Royal Mail has to go to in order to change the name of a neighbourhood.

Their guidance details a three month consultation process in order to allow changing the name of a neighbourhood in its gazette. The process includes writing to every address affected as well as the MP and other official bodies.

3. Street names and numbers are governed by law, as Alan was told. The relevant legislation is the Public Health Acts Amendment Act of 1907. It says:

The local authority may, with the consent of two-thirds in number of the ratepayers, and persons who are liable to pay an amount in respect of council tax, in any street, alter the name of such street or any part of such street.

So, there is no law that governs the naming of neighbourhoods, but there are principles of justice aplenty that should guide the Council in how it behaves in a situation when it seeks to change an area's name.

As Planning Organisation, Planning Sanity puts it, a neighbourhood is:

" an area where inhabitants live and that it is their state of mind as to what constitutes their neighbourhood. A neighbourhood should not be seen to correspond to any legal or physical division, but more as a social concept, the evidence for which may be given by the people who live there."

If we take as a precedent the principles enshrined both in law and official practice and the opinion of urban experts, I can find no precedent or reference to any principle of justice which suggests that a name change can or should be imposed from above by a person, group of persons or body. At every turn I find evidence confirming my belief that the naming of a neighbourhood belongs to the people who inhabit it and should only be changed with painstaking consultation. It seems extraordinary then that any elected member or officer should even be considering  taking it upon themselves or a small semi-official body to rename a neighbourhood however well meaning might be their intent.

In other areas where a change has been sought, consultations have been the norm. Staines is the most recent example.

It's difficult not to wonder, if a Council is prepared to cut corners on allowing local people self-determintaion in less weighty situations such as this, where else are such 'efficiencies' made at the cost of democratic justice?

I remain convinced that unless and until we have a proper process whereby local residents approve a change, the Council should in all documents refer to Harringay as Harringay. 

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We'll allow you to remain a member of HoL in spite of your appalling snobbery DWTGN, but I'm afraid you're on a hiding to nothing. Harringay's high street is Green Lanes. It's an integral part of Harringay; it's the geographic core of the neighbourhood, always has been and always will be. So, if it's cachet you're after, I'm afraid it's time to move on.

Would it help DWTGN, Cllr Canver and other linguistically challenged posters if HOL's main page featured a photo of a 19-rung ladder down the left-hand margin, with an interspersed dictionary definition of 'ladder' either in 20 community languages or from 20 standard dictionaries?

Meanwhile, any LBH or GLSG referendum / consultation should simply ask:

Which name do you prefer -

a. Harringay

b. Harringay Green Lanes

c. Harringay Wightman Road  ?

Sorry, Gardens, but (like Biafra & "Ulster") you chose to secede a very long time ago. We promise you a footnote in the next edition of Harringay History.

New-River-shallow-swim-more-than-two-birds?

Hugh wrote: "a senior councillor said : too much emphasis on Harringay confuses everyone with the borough Haringey and refers to the Harringay ward and excludes the gardens".

Why is it confusing and what has the gardens area got to do with it?

As Hugh wrote Islington borough has an area called Islington. Do they want to rename?

If it is confusing just say "the neighbourhood called Harringay" or "the neighbourhood called harringay green lanes" to distinguish it from Haringey borough. 

Call yourself a snob? That is the worst peasantry I have seen on here.

Harringay Park would would finally give us a formal name that sets us aside from all the other areas in the borough

. . . except, that is, from the existing Haringey Park in Crouch End.

Not quite a twopenneth, Simon.

Names should mean something. Where is the " Park "  in Harringay ?

FInsbury Park is rather peripheral and I have never associated it with Harringay. If the problem is the confusion with Haringey Borough, we had Harringay first so let the council change the name of the borough. Tammany might be appropriate.

The map just purchased by HoL members was the 1885 plan of the layout of the Harringay Park Estate so from a strictly historic point of view that is the true and original name. I like it, I appreciate many don't. I think simply Harringay would be my first choice.

But the map doesn't extend to this end of Harringay. UDI for East Hornsey !

No, not just the house and it's estate, but it's part of the story. See the first section one of my Wikipedia articles.

How about "Crouch End Borders". Or why not get rid of the whole Harringay bit (such an ugly word), utilise the Park element, and embrace the fact we are on green lanes thus calling the hood "Park Lanes". Or my favourites "Kebab Land" and "Merobet Circus".
I'd opt for Harringay every time. It means something, it has roots in the area's history, it is simple, one word etc.

That said, and given that Haringey is never going to change its name because of confusion with our area, I wouldn't go to the barricades against Harringay Green Lanes. I do use that as a short hand when I'm explaining where I live.

I think the idea of losing Harringay from our area's name is just absurd, so I'd resist any alternative that involves that ('Green Lanes' in particular - how ridiculous to opt for a name that refers to a road that stretches from Newington Green to the North Circular!). Hate the 'village' or 'park' variants too, sounds like estate agent flight of fancy to me!

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