Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Why can't we open a window on the hottest day of the year Haringey Council? Air pollution w/c 18 May
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Permalink Reply by Alice B on
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Hi Geraldine – absolutely right!
Like many people, we spent the day with the windows shut and curtains closed to keep the heat out (although it still got pretty roasting indoors). Normally, once the temperature drops in the evening, we'd open the windows to get some fresh air and a bit of airflow through the house.
Unfortunately, that's exactly when the local air pollution tends to peak, which has led to some very uncomfortable evenings for us, particularly with young children in the house.
We even have a portable air-conditioning unit, but because it creates an air channel between indoors and outdoors, we had to stop using it when PM2.5 levels reached around 60. At those levels, bringing outside air into the home simply isn't a good option.
With summers expected to get hotter, I think this really highlights why tackling our local air pollution is so important. People should be able to cool and ventilate their homes without worrying about exposing their families to unhealthy air.
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Love the detail you've gone into in your research! Quality stuff! Thank you for taking the time to articulate your position. I can only agree with your conclusions as well.
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Hi Rae, thank you so much, spending the time replying. I wasn't really expecting people to engage with my comment, and I can clearly see the matter is close to heart with the amount of research.
Your other post regarding the WHO data is quite a shocking read as to just how high the levels are for of PM2.5. That post and the other evidence presented really does lean heavily towards the grills, doesn't it!
I would say, however, since Euro 6 No2 levels are less pronounced having been heavily targeted as part of that standard.
Looking at that No2 and PM2.5 data, apart from the grill spikes, there are curious spikes all over the shop, which do not correlate with traffic. Has anyone considered the Edmonton Ecopark? As it primarily burns waste, I would assume it gives off 2.5 particles and No2? Just curious. That might account for the odd early morning and late night spikes.
Anyway, that isn't to take away from the clear evidence of the grill pollution.
Thank you
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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If the main contributor was traffic wouldn't the readings fall as the evening rush hour subsidies rather than increase? There have been several photographs published here on HOL showing visible clouds being emitted from restaurants (I recall several at the bottom of Pemberton Road). The evidence of pollution from grill restaurants has been convincing enough for some local authorities like to actually take action. With the concentration of grill restaurants on Green Lanes should not Haringey at least be carrying out their own monitoring?
https://harringayonline.com/forum/topics/worse-than-traffic-how-nei...
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Admin for testingPermalink Reply by Hugh on -
For information, the majority of air pollution posts on HoL can be found by clicking the tags under the main posts. That will take you in the case of the "air pollution" tag to https://harringayonline.com/forum/topic/listForTag?tag=air+pollution
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Hi mr cf – great to get you part of the air pollution campaign!
I can’t really add much more than others have already posted – citizen science is going strong in Harringay. While the amount of traffic is a concern (and you might want to join Harringay Ladder Healthy Streets campaign who have some great proposal), the evidence strongly points to the air pollution peaks we see being caused by the emissions from the grill restaurants on Green Lanes.
However, we are a community and we need to work together on this one. As Rae has identified, the solution is relatively simple – investment in high quality filtration. Meaning that the environment is better for residents, diners in the restaurants and the people who work there – it’s a win win! We’d love for this to be something the council can help to support.
As residents we recognise being part of a vibrant community – and many of us love to support our restaurants. It isn’t an either or, it’s a both – but in a safe way. The community is not asking for Green Lanes to become less vibrant. It's asking for it to be vibrant without exposing people to avoidable particulate pollution #loveourrestaurantshatetheemissions
Finally, I’ll just echo Justin’s point – the evidence of our noses. The high levels of air pollution coincide very strongly with the smell of meat cooking. While this may be delicious, this actually contains high levels of PM2.5.
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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ALICE, Haringey Council will always do the right thing … after they have exhausted all other possibilities.
As the Pope once said to Greta Thunberg: keep going!
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Hi Alice, I was a bit overwhelmed by the number of responses. If I'm honest, I expected very little engagement to my comment, and certainly not quality responses expanding on the evidence. It is obvious that you guys care deeply about this and have backed up your claims, and that there is a grill smoke issue. I'm also glad to hear that we are conscious of not killing the vibes.
It's sad that the council isn't tackling the issue with any momentum.
As is said to Justin, I have no sense of smell, so the idea that you can smell the grilled chicken up the street baffles me!! Haha.
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