Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
What's wrong with the new Spurs Stadium?
CABE have pronounced themselves 'disappointed' with it, English Heritage find it 'incoherent and awkward'.
Spurs fan and architecture critic Rowan Moore discuss the problems with the design of Spurs' new stadium in today's Standard.
Acknowledging that, most football fans would watch their team in stadia built out of plastic drain sections and reused scrap metal, which is what, indeed,
many of them look like.
Spurs fan and architecture critic Rowan Moore discuss the problems with the design of Spurs' new stadium in today's Standard.
Acknowledging that, most football fans would watch their team in stadia built out of plastic drain sections and reused scrap metal, which is what, indeed,
many of them look like.
...he poses the question, given the chance to create a wholly new stadium development, why wouldn't you want it to be as classy and skilful as the best players?
Is the stadium an architectural turkey?
Does it matter as long as it brings regeneration to the area?
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Permalink Reply by Birdy_Too on
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He he, you are right the original Wembley (as does the Olympic Stadium in Berlin, reference to empire and political ambitions) does and was built with the Colosseum in mind, again empire and control (ie Empire Way, not that it's called that anymore) in mind more than architectural value although the arches on both were very deliberate to portray global power.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Don't be too hard on it as a design. Both had good visibility, could be evacuated quickly and were capable of holding vast crowds safely for many kinds of events .
Still as you say, some things were there to reflect power such as the position of the Royal Box, in the same place as the Emperor's box in the Colosseum, although it has never been reported that the Queen gave the thumbs down to anyone...
oh, oh, you've taken me OT off my own topic.
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I think the number one piece of failure regarding the design of this stadium will be the transport links. It has always being historically bad as there is no tube, nearest one being a good twenty five minutes walk. Try getting 38,000 fans on a BR line? I know not many will be, but I am quite looking forward to this being built, as I was the Emirates and the New Wembley. Croke Park Eddy is Lush, especially as they have kept the historic terrace.
Regarding the stadia/colosseum/ground debate, my opinion is based more on my dislike of the word (traditionalist that I am) and what it means and how it is applied to the football venue scenario. There are many grounds or stadiums that visually look oval or round, Rose Bowl for example (as in cricket or athletics) but for a football use only, new arenas are usually based on a rectangular shape rather than an oval, or a round, which again can be found back to Roman, Greek and South American heritage. This possibly shows my dislike along with most football fans (and rugby fans too) that watching in a oval or athletics ground is not the best to view the sport such is the distance between the crowd and the action via track or mass of grass.
Ground/stadium/arena number 73 of 92 this weekend at burton -
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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Not many people know that the colusseum is so named because it had a statue of Nero on the outside grounds. The statue was about 100 feet high therefore it was called the 'colossus'.
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I can't let this pass without a mention of Dublin's Croke Park - a ground with a couple of old-fashioned stands in my younger days but always an organic mecca of the amateur GAA. It grew organically and then with some government subsidy into a magnificent stadium which in the last three years has also provided a home-from-home for soccer and rugby incl the Six Nations. (I fear that's where Thierry Henry picked up his annoying hand ball habits.) It's been the icon of Ireland's international debut - and I think a stimulus for a good bit of regeneration around the old site.
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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sorry Liz was my fault too... But the point I was trying to make was that it all looks a bit 'überdimensional'
@B2 I know HH very well. I lived a short time between Altona and St Pauli way back in 1984 .. sort of Reeperbahn way ... hehe
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@B2 regarding the transport links.. The Victoria Line isn't that far away at Northumberland Park and there is space to build a station.. the distance between there and the stadium is just about right imo to spread the crowds out after chucking-out time.. and would also relieve the High Road and Seven Sisters station..
Ken did bring this idea up - but in typical London style nothing came of it.. I would have thought that THFC would also be interested and would be prepared to invest something in a link station..
the trains run there already, but empty in order to enable staff to get to the depot from Seven Sisters..
BTW, in the days before the Victoria Line was built, there used to be Saturday Football Express Buses between Manor House Station and White Hart Lane.. at 1/- a go..
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oh BTW, B2's mention of the Olympic Stadium got me thinking.. the building doesn't really have to so enormous - on the outside anyway.. it is possible to sink it into the ground .. as is the Olympic Stadium in Berlin .. is the new stadium at Stratford also sunken?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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The stadium they built in Wellington was held up for years by the lawyers who lived on the hill over looking the harbour (where it was proposed to be built). In the end it was built but is fondly referred to as the cake-tin because those lawyers only withdrew their opposition once someone came up with a design that would not block their view.
See here.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Interesting location down there in the docks. Don't remember seeing it as we drove in & out of Wellington back last August. Guess the 'lawyers' achieved their aims then.
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Yes there use to be many a football special running up and down the country on trains, but since privatisation no such thing. The train operators are known to not release cheap fares on big match days even though that is against all the terms of their franchise. I would have thought it would have been a priority for the local police to disperse the crowd as quickly as possible in all directions. A good transport hub is a must for venues of this size.
I don't know what is under WHL but would imagine you would be able to soak some of the height of the ground below ground level. This is the norm in todays construction of such venues that go above 40,000 capacity. In most 'stadiums' of a decent size you enter at the top of the first tier, at ground level and below is 20,000 seats or so beneath you. This is an advantage in building costs and does soak up some of the noise too.
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