Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
West Green Road - rubbish tip?
Hi all
Walking down West Green Road (from Green Lanes end) the last couiple of mornings I'm gobsmacked at the amount of rubbish just dumped on the pavements. Every 10m there is a bag or trash either ripped open by the foxes or rubbish not even bagged up, Someone has done a massive fly tip just past the garage there.
It's utterly disgusting. Sadly I didn't have my camera with me. But will take some pics tomorrow.
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Permalink Reply by Sophie Smith on
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Yes this makes me so angry I've even thought about setting up my own CCTV to catch them. Always happens at the Green Lanes end of Salisbury Road. Totally unacceptable and so antisocial.
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Permalink Reply by Leslie on
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It's due to fortnightly rubbish collections, people's bins are overflowing so they dump wherever they can. Haringey council aren't providing basic services to it's residents, you don't see dumping on this scale in Hackney where they have weekly collections and the waste management company hasn't been privatized.
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Absolutely Leslie.
Did you read my post re rubbish in the Miltons?
It is utterly disgusting that Haringey have allowed this to continue.
We have left our evergreen to "flourish" so the maggot flies go there and not inside the house.
And the smell.........
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Permalink Reply by HarringayBirder on
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Never mind West Green Road - this was the centrepiece of the redesigned "Harringay Green Lanes" yesterday evening...
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I live in a flat above commercial premises towards the Wood Green end of the West Green Road and have done so for many years. My rubbish is collected not fortnightly, not weekly, not even daily but TWICE DAILY, once in the mornings and once pretty late at night- around midnight. I just place a black sack outside the street door and the guys with the big rubbish truck take it.
So although sometimes the place looks a mess most of it is very recent mess and gets scooped up twice a day (one advantage of living above shops). But the original poster is right; there is a particular problem just by the garage where mounds of trash pile up sometimes for days on end. I did mention that particular site to Paul Bumstead, when he was still chair of the late lamented WGRA, and in his usual responsive and efficient way Paul got on to Haringey. Things may have improved a little there but it is still an issue. For some reason that doesn't get included in the twice-daily collection.
I can't speak for the Milton Road estate which will be judged as residential where rubbish will be collected on a different basis.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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On the recommendation of HoL readers, yesterday evening we had a delicious meal at the new Chenai Express restaurant at 118A West Green Road. Friendly helpful staff. They do takeaway and one of the owners told us they hope to offer a delivery service, but not yet. (Incidentally, he told us he's from Chenai - former Madras.)
But walking along West Green Road, the pavement rubbish was the opposite of "kerb appeal". And it wasn't just one particular stretch of the road. Looping back, we drove along West Green Road and the mounds of rubbish continued. It must be deeply dispiriting for shops and restaurants trying to attract customers.
Relentless reporting by public spirited - and disgusted - residents helps. But it seems plain that the present waste arrangements are not working. My own guess is that the twice daily collections from businesses and flats above shops may encourage a leave-it-out-at-any-time attitude to pavement waste.
Where do you begin to solve this? As we know, however tight money becomes, in Koberville there's always spare cash to subsidise someone's pointless pet project; or a rich football club. Plus the magical thinking that assumes building blocks of flats for private sale will somehow "regenerate" an area. But can they find money for some imaginative projects to seriously tackle waste at street level? They could but probably won't.
On the other hand Cllr Stuart McNamara is the "Cabinet" councillor responsible for the environment and he's a Tottenham local who does understand the issues. I'd suggest copying him into any reports and emails. stuart.mcnamara@haringey.gov.uk
And copy your own local ward councillors too. Some of them are not yet in persistent vegetative state and may be stirred to action.
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Are you volunteering to have some big rubbish bins in the street outside your sitting room or bedroom window?
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Alan I think you're right and it occurred to me when I was posting before. Twice daily does encourage people to leave bags out at any time. When the system started Haringey put notices up in the West Green Road threatening dire (or relatively dire) consequences for anyone putting out litter more than half an hour or so before the twice daily appointed times. But it was only in English, somewhat inconspicuously on lamp-posts, and few people took much notice and Haringey seemingly gave up.
Every day when I walk across the triangular bit of green at the end I pick up rubbish and put in one of the three bins on the perimeter. That's my contribution. We live in an undisciplined age. People block the pavements while waiting for buses instead of forming a tidy queue which lets passers-by pass by. Cyclists drive at speed on pavements endangering residents.
I seemed to recall Mayor Guiliani was it in New York getting commendably tough on this sort of thing and by doing so he reduced the crime rate as well, so these things can have a knock-on effect. Boris seems more keen on bikes, which people then ride on the pavements.
But on the micro-level if people could just use rubbish bins for the smaller stuff and wrap the bigger stuff neatly in tied-up black sacks that would be a start. Twice-daily collections are a great service even if unthinking people abuse them.
And for the really big stuff like the mattresses perhaps Haringey could make a bigger thing of house collections for people who just can't realistically get to a tip.
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I've just been out and actually it's not looking too bad. Even the rogue site by the garage was clear. It just builds up over the day. It's not an ideal situation but I do think Haringey have got it under a measure of control.
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Permalink Reply by Noots on
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“Boris seems more keen on bikes, which people then ride on the pavements.”
Slightly off-topic here, but the vast, vast, vast majority of cyclists stick to riding on the road, despite the hopeless/non-existent cycling infrastructure which does nothing to encourage more people to get out of their cars or ease the burden on overcrowded public transport. The sort of don’t-give-a-toss people I see riding on the pavement are probably exactly the same don’t-give-a-toss people that appear incapable of disposing of their rubbish properly.
If Boris seems keen on bikes, it’s presumably because of the enormous benefits mass cycling can bring to a population in terms of health and the environment.
Personally, I'm sick of the huge amount of industrial fly-tipping and casual, low level littering that goes on in the borough; the council providing free collections of bulky items is an excellent service that I've used myself (no car) but seems to have done very little to stop the average fly-tipper from dumping an endless array of unwanted crap in our streets. Even if the dumpers aren't local, it's depressing that people can give so little thought to the lives of others. My guess is that the majority of offenders are either private landlords or contractors working on behalf of them; they shouldn't have to, but could the council target these sectors directly to make them aware of the collection service?
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Have to speak in defence of private Landlords now.
I know many many and all of us are always on site to supervise the work and many of us have old Volvos which we use to personally take to the dump as the contractors are charged a large fee there.
Muchofif the rubbish on our road has come from the house owned by the Council and has tenants who have clearance vans.as they would be charged for dumping the non useable stuff they instead dump it in neighbours bins with the rest probably on a pavement when no one s looking,
Please don't blame private landlords as there won't be too many of us left soon,Thanks
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Pure conjecture on my part, Nigel, but I do seem to see an awful lot of knackered furniture/mattresses dumped in the streets and it's always occurred to me that it may have followed a property being cleared/having work done on it - I wasn't meaning to cast aspersions against all Private landlords (my suspicion is that it's contractors who see it as an easy/free way to dispose of unwanted furniture/possessions when doing a job!)
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