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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Shopping at Morrisons in Palmers Green today I noticed UCKG 'helping' people to pack on the tills.I questioned one person packing on my till about the validity of UCKG and my limited knowledge(that their owner is a billionaire) No response. Interested in anyone who can add to this and should I be complaining to Morrisons. They just have a charity bucket without explanation about where the money is going to. I know some here objected to it at Iceland. Any info please?

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UCKG members have been seen collecting money for carol singing at local shopping centres. Find a better cause to give your money to - it has all the characteristics of a cult designed to enrich its founder:


It was to this 'church' that Victoria Climbie was brought to have her 'devils' cast out.

Our local politicians as arbiters of morality. Haha... nice one, Osbawn.

Street and door to door collections are licensed and regulated by the Metropolitan Police.  On private property (I.e. a shop) it’s at the discretion of the owner I would imagine.


they are actually breaking the law without a license but I doubt the police have the resources to follow up complaints

I'm not sure I see how they are breaking the law.

Are they doing multiple street collection days in the borough? Also, I don't see how the link covers door-to-door. Again, this would be deemed to be on private property, no?

No, it requires a licence


It is unlawful to collect with a licence. Scroll down a bit on this article


The Guardian article has some useful info on what to do it you think the charity is behaving unlawfully (text below)

What happens if a fundraiser breaks the rules?

It is a criminal offence if a professional fundraiser fails to make an appropriate fundraising statement. The only available defence – and a very narrow one – is if they can show that they had essentially taken all reasonable steps to make the statement. If a professional fundraiser operates without a written agreement with a charity, any obligation on your charity will be unenforceable and the fundraiser will have no right to payment for its fundraising work, unless a court orders otherwise. If a court is of the view that a professional fundraiser has broken or may break the law, it also has the power to issue an order to stop it from doing any more fundraising.

But does anybody police these rules?

Technically the police could prosecute for failure to make the correct statement but there have been few if any prosecutions since the requirement was introduced in 1992.

It is more an issue of self-regulation. The public fundraising regulatory association (PFRA) is the UK-wide self-regulatory body for organisations involved in face-to-face fundraising in public places. The PFRA also works with local authorities, to ensure that town centres are used in a fair and reasonable way. Members of the public who wish to complain should generally contact the PFRA in the first-instance. The PFRA also monitors the rules by "mystery shopping", which involves its representatives approaching 'chuggers' while posing as members of the public.

If a member of the public is unhappy about how the PFRA has handled a complaint, further appeal may be made to the fundraising standards board (FRSB). The FRSB – which self-regulates fundraising generally across the UK – has the power to act as an adjudicator and to provide a final avenue of redress.

Members of the public, while generally unaware of the admittedly confused law on fundraising, are very vigilant about sharp fundraising practice. Other parties liable to take an interest and who may respond to concerns about face-to-face fundraising include the Charity Commission, the relevant local authority, Office of Fair Trading (OFT), town centre managers, local business partnerships and, in extreme situations, the police.

What should I do if I see a fundraiser flouting the rules?

In general terms, established standards in face-to-face fundraising arena are respected and the Institute of Fundraising's code of practice is observed. However, if in an extreme case you have reason to believe a fundraiser is acting fraudulently, do not hesitate to inform the police, Charity Commission and the OFT. On the other hand, if you come across sloppy fundraising practice, a gentle reminder of the rules or a few pointers should be enough.

If you have lingering concerns, get in contact with the PFRA and let them know. Face-to-face fundraising has been shown to be a very effective way to raise money for charity, with relatively low costs and risks compared to other methods, but it is essential to its long-term success that the public have confidence in it.

I might have misinterpreted your original comment.

Were you saying that they have no licence, so are breaking the law? Or that they are breaking the law IF they have no licence?

I have no idea if they have a license or not. If you look at the thread I was responding to a suggestion that the local authority should be challenging them. The only basis for challenge I can see is whether or not they have applied for permission to carry out collections.

Yes.. I read the thread. This comment is ambiguous

"they are actually breaking the law without a license..."

You've cleared it up now.

The local trades union council have utterly condemned them. 

However, no politician is EVER going to have a go at a religious group - too many many votes to be had from brown nosing faith groups.

UCKG is just one of many fundamentalist religious groups operating in this area and I live in hope (but won't pray) that one day will come when when our supposed 'liberal' elite will live up to their values and tell such people where to stick their illiberal ideas. 

However, since the Labour Party (led by an alleged atheist)  has recently told religious fundamentalists they can keep their faith schools, I doubt it will be any time soon. 

Trouble is in many parts of this area THEY are the majority. Walk along Tottenham High Road on a Saturday and see how many 'fundies' are out trying to recruit people. Then look at all the other places there are in the borough and how much what I call 'purist' religion dominates so much of this area that its quite possible that an openly secular candidate would stand no chance of ever being elected, or if they were elected, the various groups of all hues would band together to hoof them out of office. 



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