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The plan to make Green lanes the main arterial road to the north (in 1943)

I was in the Museum of London Docklands on Sunday (highly recommended) & I spotted a map of the 1943 "Country of London Plan" that was drawn up to plan a post-war London:

If you look more closely you can see that the main north bound arterial road is in fact....Green Lanes:

- the Stoke Newington reservoirs are very clear, as is Finsbury Park

The County of London plan was drawn up by Sir Leslie Patrick Abercrombie and John Henry Foresaw, but seems to be much less well known than the 1944 Greater London Plan, also produced by Abercrombie.

There's a film about the County of London plan on the Guardian web site & a photo showing its presentation in this article - you can see the Green Lanes arterial route on this photo too.

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From 1923 Two Inch map at:

http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/maps/

Unclear why some are red and some green.  Green Lanes is red.

I would think the red ones are "A" roads and the green ones, such as St Ann's Rd, are " B" while the others are " Unclassified "

An interesting question would be - when did Wightman become a "B" road ?

1. The classification of Britain's roads dates back to the 1920s, when it had become clear that it was necessary to have a system to help motorists identify good routes for driving. In the 1960s, the existing system was overhauled to help deal with an age of mass-motoring.

From Department for Transport's: Guidance on Road Classification and the Primary Route Network [attached]. 

Since the map extract is from 1923, it seems more likely that the change of status of Wightman Road took place in the 1960's.  This links with Stephen's point about railways.  The legacy of the Beeching report, Ernest Marples and the age of mass motoring.

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The loss of St Ann's on the Barking Line, West Green, and the rest of the Hampstead to Tottenham line has had a devastating impact on the areas they served. Some of Beechings findings closed stations that would have proved productive, if they were still operational today, and this is reflected up and down the country.

Well: St Ann's station (and Junction Road station by Tufnell Park Northern Line station - how useful an interchange that would be) were both closed during WWII.

Mind you, Beeching did list the whole remaining line for closure in his report - give thanks that Glenn Wallis and his colleagues and predecessors at BGORUG took up the 50-year fight.

As for West Green station on the Palace Gates line, the closure just predated the Beeching report. Mind you, again, the network of bus routes plus the Piccadilly line criss-crossing the line from Seven Sisters - West Green - Noel Park (aka the middle of Shopping City) - Palace Gates (the near end of Bounds Green) by the '60s was its nemesis, I'd think.

St Ann's was closed in 1940 on the premise that a new Seven Sisters Interchange station would be constructed after WW2.

More of a loss, was the withdrawal of the service into St Pancras and of course, the sunday Southend trains.

B138 didn't exist in 1922 [ http://www.sabre-roads.org.uk/wiki/index.php?title=1922_Road_Lists/... ] at which time the B150, B151 and B152 did.  This is consistent with the differing construction standards used and the unusual situation in which a B road connects two other B roads rather than distributing from an A road.

It required the reconfiguration of the Turnpike Lane/Hornsey Park Rd junction via V2 rocket during WWII so I doubt it existed as a B road before that.

Following on from your V2 reference, folk may already have seen this account of a V2 on Sydney Road.  Worth a read:

http://stmgrts.org.uk/archives/2009/10/a_london_childhood_the_shove...

. . . and an account [fictional?] of a V2 from 1944 landing on No. 65 Wightman Road:

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=BtubUSCny0cC&pg=PA98&lp...

Think the number might have been 45 or 55 as 65 still exists.  Could this be where the Milverton block now is?

I thought the rocket landed on the other side of the railway..? My dad told tales of  a women's arm being found, still clutching a handbag..

I can remember that junction being remodelled.. 30 years after the end of the war at least.

I'm not aware of any bomb contributing to the remodelling of the Wightman/Turnpike junction. As far as I'm aware it was part and parcel of building Woof Green Shopping City. Everything was subjugated to creating a centre for Haringey in Wood Green. This notion of Wightman Road being a key part of a Wood Green bypass still plagues us today. 

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