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There is an image on the Alexandra Palace website of the original 1873 building taken of the main front aspect - link/image below. I cannot work out what or where the foreground buildings are. Logically they must be somewhere towards the eastern end of Hornsey High Street if we are looking face on to the palace building but in that area we should be able to see St Mary's Church. Can anyone shed any light on what these buildings are?

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The foreground buildings are on Park Road.

There's a set of historical Ally Pally pictures on this site here.

So that is not the main frontage of the palace but the end where the Phoenix pub is now? 

You know what, you're right. It can't be Park Road. A little like I'd been doing with the 18th century Bewick painting of central Crouch End, I've looked at that photo for years and, without thinking about it too much, I've always just assumed it was Park Road in the foreground. But, a moment's thought would tell me that it can't possibly be!

As to what it actually is, I'm as as bemused as you. I can't think of a road directly to the south of the Palace that snaked like that one is doing, wither in 1873 or today! 

Yes a mystery. Any clue from the mansion on the left of the picture? Also could the picture be backwards? Looks totally different in the foreground if you flip around in Photoshop. It may also be a small section from a very remote location with a huge amount of foreshortening of the houses, meaning that they are miles away, perhaps as far as Tottenham Lane or on the slope of Crouch Hill

Interesting collection of images of central Croich End. Is there an image anywhere of the Roweldge Farm farmhouse that used to stand where the parade of shops on the west of the broadway now stands, ie opposite Lake Villa and Old Crouch Hall? It's interesting that there are many pictures looking east of the Broadway but nothing looking the other way. 

Did you look at the link in my last comment? As I’ve said in that text, the buildings on the left of the Berwick painting are almost certainly Rowledge barns. The chimneys behind the large barn are probably on the farmhouse.

Booth bought the farmhouse to build his wee palace in around 1830. No photos exist as far as I'm aware. But there may be water colours identified in modern collections. With art lessons being part of the curriculum at neighbouring Crouch End Academy, there are probably lots of paintings of various skill levels which go unidentified.

I’ll try the. PS flip later and see what I get.

So I asked Ally Pally Museum. They thought the same as me, it seems


Hugh, your link leads to this...

Weird. I couldn't find the embed option on mobile. But I'm back home now so have replaced the link with an embed. Can you see that okay?

In a subsequent exchange, we seem to have agreed that there was some dark room trickery afoot. 

Upon further investigation, it seems @AllyPallyMuseum don't like me, who knows why! 

Rectory Gardens area maybe, the Moselle would have snaked a little round there then, and was still above ground?

For ease of reference, Here's a screenshot of the bttom left area of the photo from a bigger version I have. Click to enlarge more).

When you look at the larger version of the photo (click the photo extract above), it looks like there's a wall in front of the Palladian style house. Next to it, is a road running along in front of the house. I recognise neither the road nor the the house.

If the photo wasn't doctored, the only house it could be in the position shown would be Grove House. The only photo I've seen of that house suggests it was significantly smaller than the one in the photo and, style-wise it seemed to echo Albert & Victoria's Osborne:it wasn't Palladian in style.

Next along was the Priory and then the Elms. Neither had the pediment this houses has. Further east was the Rectory and Campsbourne. It's not a match for the Rectory and no images survive of the Campsbourne.

I'm afraid that none of that is much help. 



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