Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
St Ann's Hospital Development - What's happening
All Change at St Ann's Hospital Original photo: © Danny Robinson reused from Geograph under a Creative Commons Licence.
Last week news reached HoL that conversations / consulation was happening about the future of St Ann's and the community wasn't being included.
I was told that a "Scoping Request Report for Outline Planning Application for the Redevelopment of St Ann's Hospital" was doing the rounds and people were concerned at low levels of community involvement. So I dropped a short note to Geoffrey Ocen, Associate Director of Strategic Estates Development Barnet, Enfield and Haringey Mental Health NHS Trust, and received the following reply.
So, if you've heard something and were wondering what it's about, I hope this helps:
The scoping request is one of the technical processes required to be undertaken before an outline planning application is submitted to a Local Planning Authority. It is the process where an applicant (in this case the Trust) asks the Local Planning Authority (in this case Haringey Council) for its view on the issues that need be addressed and information they require be included in an outline planning application. All the scoping request does is to set out and formally agree the parameters for the development in the outline planning application. In effect, it specifies the maximum size, height, densities etc that the local planning authority would allow to be considered in the outline planning application, in order to guide the applicant's work in developing an outline planning application further.
As part of the technical planning process, Haringey Council have to seek the views of a specified list of statutory agencies on the scoping request, prior to confirming its own views. This is what is happening at the moment. Once we have received the views of Haringey Council on the parameters of the outline planning application, we will undertake further work to develop the detail of the outline planning application, including more detail on the possible number of dwellings and heights of buildings being proposed.
We are aiming to have completed the work on an outline planning application by early spring next year and will then submit a formal outline planning application to Haringey Council. In the lead up to this, we are continuing to seek views of local people through the Community Reference Group and wider public engagement. Once the outline planning application has been submitted to Haringey Council in the spring next year, there will be further stakeholder engagement including a statutory public consultation during which there will be a series of open public exhibitions and other events, a document and website, through which local people will be able to give their views. All these will be widely publicised across the Borough and we will keep you informed as we move forward towards this stage next year.
In conclusion, the scoping request is a very early stage in the planning process, designed to agree the parameters within which the Trust will then work up an outline planning application. It is simply a technical process to identify the work that needs to be done prior to submission of the outline planning application. Once we are at the outline planning application stage next spring, we will make sure that you are fully aware of the process and how local people can get involved in contributing their views.
I hope this is helpful in clarifying the latest position.
With best wishes
Geoffrey
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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The trouble with all these super-high buildings going up eg at Manor House, combined with Google Maps, is that chaps with money to multiply can look around and spot any patches of uncovered space, and see that there are opportunities on their doorstep that they hadn't noticed before.
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Permalink Reply by Michele on
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The Comunity should still be involved in this, otherwise the scoping and perameters will have been agreed by the Council by the time the formal planning application has been submitted. Also the worrying thing is that this is being dealt with seperately now from the wider plans for the hospital and I understand no Health impact assessment has yet been carried out in relation to the proposals - I stand to be corrected.
Also the evironmental impact should be considered as well as the impact on local schools, health facilities and the broader proposals. How will the site be accessed during the building works? Via St Anne's Rd or other?
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I totally agree with Michelle that more impact assessments need to be carried out on a variety of issues such as the impact of a large new housing development on schools and other infrastucture. What this area needs is more infrastructure and faclities for community use.
I am aware that some people responded during the consultation which ended in early August that they would like to see a school on part of any new development on the site as all local schools are heavily oversubscribed. Consultation was recently undertaken to provide a free school in the area. Members of the local community put it to the Trust that part of the site could be used for this purpose. However, no mention whatsoever was made regarding this in the Report on the Consultation which was published in late September.
The sheer size of the proposed developmemt, with so many new residents will add to the huge demand for local school places. If Haringey Council's track record is anything to go by, they will agree in their planning approval for funding to be provided for additional school places in order to placate the community. However when the community are not watching, they will quietly agree to cancel the agreement for the developer to pay to provide additional school places. Practices such as this have led to the local authority having to provide bulge classes at some schools and hold year 1 children back in Children's Centres as there are no places available at local schools. Our children are ending up being taught in classes of over 30 children which obviously has a negative impact on learning.
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Permalink Reply by Helen on
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Are you Stephanie Pinnock who was working with the controversial Harris Academy with the aim of setting up a "prep school" in the St Ann's area?
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Hi Helen. Yes I am and we (AESE) are no longer working with the Harris Federation. We would still like to provide additional school places by providing a school for 4-19 year olds in our area as an independent provider. Just a few months ago we approached the Hospital Trust regarding part of the site and we have also approached other local landlords in the Tottenham area as it is possible that as we would like to provide a primary school, a secondary school and a sixth form, our school could be split over different locations around Tottenham.
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