Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Recycling or landfill?
My girlfriend just followed a waste lorry down Green Lanes. She's not wierd or anything, she was on a bus... however, she noticed all the recycling sacks being chucked in to the same lorry as the rubbish. No separate compartment, just chewed up with the rest.
Now, being middle class and angry a lot of the time, I find this a bit disturbing. Anyone else notice this/know anything about it?
Now, being middle class and angry a lot of the time, I find this a bit disturbing. Anyone else notice this/know anything about it?
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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"All Haringey Waste is taken to Edmonton Incinerator where it is burnt and generates electricity - which is fed into National Grid."
Bob, are you saying that everything people put out in their green boxes, green waste bags and wheeled bins; or take to the Reuse & Recycling Centres all goes to Edmonton for incineration?
If so, it would appear to make the entire process of sorting ─ with separate collections and collection containers for recycling ─ totally pointless.
Or have I misunderstood you?
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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MONDAY morning. I have just carefully wrapped up metalic waste into a plastic bag and also put glassware and paper into the green recycling box. I think this is the responsible thing to do. I do know that in my street the general waste and the other waste are collected by different vehicles. Which is a good start, but of course the council could be spoofing us further down the track.
I have heard rumours of what I believe is called "co-mingling" whereby everything is thrown in the waste truck. Former councillor (and chief rubbish man) Brian Haley was once asked about this about this at an Area Assembly meeting, but I don't remember what the answer was. I'm still curious, because if co-mingling is going on, are not a lot of responsible citizens wasting their time?
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Permalink Reply by andy thomas on
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You may be right there - according to http://www.haringey.gov.uk/index/environment_and_transport/refusean..., most recycling collections in the borough are what they call "mixed-material". Source separation, where you and I do all the hard work, seems to be in the minority.
I have certainly seen my meticulously-washed glass & plastic, metal, cardboard and paper in separate bins or bags thrown into the same compartment of the waste truck on Monday mornings.
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A Scrutiny panel (with two Labour and two LibDem members) reported in April 2008. It looked at issues including the problems of "co-mingled waste". Click here for its report in PDF format.
(I've asked the Scrutiny team to corract the speelling errorss.)
The Council's website has a page on What Happens to Recycling with links to further details about e.g. green waste.
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Permalink Reply by Bob Ruggles on
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Alan,
My Posted - Stated Waste............. To incinerator
Was enquiring as to where the vehicles go with green Box Rubbish ?
I am also sure I read that the Price for paper / Cardboard - was so low it was not worth the effort to collect as recycable material ?
Better to Burn - to make Electricity - Saving Imported Fuel
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Permalink Reply by Old-Age-Emporium(OAE) on
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Rite, Alan. 'Seperated, seperted & co-mingled'.
If those Lib/Lab scrutineers want to mangle their litteracy they could at least scrutinis/ze their literacy more closely.
'Co-mingling' is a barbarism when they really mean 'commingling' - as in Sir John C. Squire's: 'He heard a sudden, strange commingled noise / Looked up and gasped for speech . . .' The Discovery (Caravels).
[I await an empyrean aisles riposte on my prescriptivist antiquarianism !]
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I also spotted the interesting new words: costeffective and recycables.
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Is there any chance someone can find out as a matter of fact if there is still any point in recycling in Haringey. If it is infact true that all waste (recycling or not) is incenerated, then could someone tell me if this applies to the recycling points (eg those by the Salisbury) - which I use to recycle as our flats do not use the green box method.
(I've only skim-read the posts - just noticed conflicting views, so I thought I'd ask - excuse me if my question was answered before).
Thanks.
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Permalink Reply by Jimbo on
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Seeing as I was the one who opened this particular can of worms this time round... I am contacting the council and the waste people to see what they say. I am also guiding them towards this discussion. Not that they will read it between burning our old newspapers but one never knows.
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Thanks for looking into this for us Jimbo. I look forward to reading about your findings.
I will be logging a complaint if all the recycled waste gets incenerated. I've spent too many ours over the past year sorting through tins, cans, boxes, papers etc - and have suffered too many cuts from tuna tins!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Recycling is not incinerated in Haringey. It is sorted in Edmonton and materials are recovered and recycled. I am a community volunteer who attends regular meetings about these issues. So the answer is, yes there is every point on recycling. It is not all incinerated. At the Materials Recovery Facility (MRF) materials are separated using a combination of mechanical separation and hand sorting. Once separated these materials are then bulked and delivered to reprocessing companies.
You do not need to separate it out yourself but put it all in the green box. It will be sorted at the plant but please be sure not to contaminate the waste by putting the wrong things in - Haringey has to pay the company for any non-recyclable materials that are extracted from the kerbside collection. Information on all this can be found here on the council website. A new contract means that we can now put more things in our green boxes but some things that used to be okay like textiles now have to go to the specialist points not the green boxes - this is due to said change of contract.
Food waste is rapid composted and given back to the community in the form of the free compost giveaways in Parks. Information on this is here
I don't know for certain about the recycling points but I imagine they all go to the same place. This page says that they do.
Getting energy from waste that can't be recycled i.e. that stuff we send to landfill now, through specialist incineration plants is still in its infancy in London but some European countries are way ahead of the game. See this report on Denmark for example
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The bit of Green Lanes I live on doesn't have green boxes. That must be for you ladder folk. The original argument I started was that our recycling sacks were thrown in to the same disposal vehicle as our yukky gunky rubbish. God bless the sorters who wade through that lot.
And before I get berated for not composting my compostibles (!) tell me where and how. I used to take it up to the community garden thingy in Finsbury Park, now they just look at me like I'm wierd.
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