Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Recent police activity on the ladder
Hello everyone,
An update from your local policing team:
We have been carrying out warrants on addresses in the ladder in the last month, with 3 carried out so far with numerous arrests.
We could not do the warrants without vital help from our community so thank you everyone for the reports you have sent us. The more information we get, the more work we can do around warrants.
We are targeting the criminals in our community but it is slow work. You may not see us but we are around and in our community. Sometimes in plain clothes, other times you may have just missed us.
Our extensive work at targeting the drug dealers on our ward should hopefully improve most of our problems around the ladder as the ASB is linked to drugs.
If the drugs aren’t as easy to get on the ladder, the users are less likely to come here.
Our contact details:
If you would like to speak to us in person, please stop us in the street or come to a contact point.
email: Harringay.SNT@met.police.uk
If you have twitter, please follow us : @MPSHarringay
We try to update twitter daily with everything we're doing.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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The Air Ambulance is a charity with some big sponsors. The use case is COMPLETELY different to what the police need. There is no way you'd have an Air Ambulance hover anywhere with a doctor on board. I once watched one take off from the dingy club at Stoke Newington and land on top of the Royal London a minute later.
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Permalink Reply by Shar on
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I've deleted all my comments because I'm tired of the pointless arguing.
Here's some research for anyone interested in the topic:
https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmicfrs/wp-content/uploads/...
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Oh sorry, you can just leave it, I won't be offended or think I'm amazing or anything like that. There's a fun thread here when google maps first got satellite imaging and the police (well, a HoL poster) found a load of burnt out cars near the north circular.
The police patrol, ambulances do not and I did find this nugget in that report: "With each aircraft flying fewer hours on average, however, the cost per flying hour has doubled.", if that's not pressure to fly by some accounting measures then I don't think we'll agree. The police will use drones they'll keep in the boots of their cars, the Air Ambulance will still be a helicopter.
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No, I get paid cash. I think it's about 0.0000001p per posting.
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I don't know why I'm rising to the bait but deliberate obfuscation for the sake of point-scoring gets to me, so:
- My original point was that with the operating costs of a police helicopter being what they are, one has to assume that they don't really have the funds to fly it for fun when not needed. I deliberately left out fixed costs because thay confuses the issue, which it now has.
- Yes, the total cost per hour (including operating costs as well as allocated fixed costs) go up the less you fly. However, this is a notional number for the purpose of management accounting. From a financial accounting standpoint it doesn't matter whether or not the helicopter flies or not, the fixed costs will be amortised per year.
- Based on the above, the total cost (per year) of a helicopter that flies is going to be higher than one that does not because one that flies will have higher operating and maintenance costs, not to mention further capital (fixed costs) because replacement parts can be very expensive and have to be amortised over several years.
- Let me say that again to be clear. Cost per flying hour goes up if you don't fly as much (or don't fly at all). Total cost per annum goes down, because the annual report doesn't care how much you fly it. But total cost goes up the more you actually fly because further costs such as fuel and maintenance are also incurred. I can explain all this with numbers if anyone's interested. [I've deleted the message noting my accounting and finance credentials but my LinkedIn profile is here.]
- Therefore the suggestion that police helicopters are being flown by the police to make the cost per hour look smaller is absurd. If one actually reads the report I shared rather than doing a quick search for certain terms, no one fully understands the way NPAS costs are allocated and shared. NPAS actually has a surplus, not necessarily due to efficiency, but because police forces are being charged too much.
- Though one problem that has propped up in recent years is that helicopters are being flown less or called out too late in a somewhat misguided attempt to keep costs low, because they're thinking of operating costs and not the whole picture. Certainly no police force appears to be flying helicopters to make cost per hour look lower. I welcome being corrected with data and evidence.
- For some reason John is upset that police helicopters hover. A police helicopter can't possibly do its job without hovering. There are lots of inefficiencies in NPAS which might be leading to the wrong amount of hovering amd once drones can do a better job everyone involved (except maybe the pilots) is likely to be happier. We simply aren't there yet. Drones can't really stay in the air for that long (yet), for starters. Besides there won't really be much saving in personnel costs because it will need dedicated drone pilots.
- Air ambulances don't hover because they don't need to hover. They shouldn't be crashing as often because there aren't as many of them and because they don't spend as much time flying. And yet for whatever reason (I'm not offering any) the rate of accidents over the last twenty years is actually higher than police helicopters.
- In any case, fixed costs work pretty much the same way for any such service, whether funded by police forces or as a charity funded by big business. They are incurred whether or not the asset it used. If that alone was a reason for using the asset more, then air ambulances would also be flown due to the 'pressure to be used' even though their purpose is very different. They still wouldn't hover as much, because they don't need to.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go back to contributing to the economy rather than further derailing this well-intentioned thread started by the local SNT.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Perhaps I misunderstood your earlier posts because I totally agree with this. Thank you.
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I think I got my accident numbers wrong though. Needs more research. Please disregard that bit.
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Permalink Reply by Polly on
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Thanks for the update, I have definitely noticed the difference in our section of the passage/ladder over the past two weeks.
It was so bad prior to that, that I think we saw a deal taking place most days, including on the school run, I was constantly moving people off the wall that marks the road and even had to fish a user out of my neighbours garden (same neighbour had found a used needle on her door step). My kids are now familiar with the local dealers too they were so obvious.
So thanks for your efforts, it is noticed and appreciated and I will keep sending in reports as and when they come in.
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