Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Planning application made on Chestnuts Park..is this the best location for what is proposed?
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Permalink Reply by andy h on
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If the giant ventilation and access shaft goes in downhills park to make the wood green cross rail station work, that's a lot of land to give away from parks in this part of the borough.
Oh!?
Yeah!?
It's harringay council.
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Permalink Reply by Mavic Starfish on
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I know, feels like our green space is under attack from the borough - bizarre - or is it. When there's lots of money involved / or palming off responsibility it seems anything goes. We'll have to fight back
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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This is a barmy idea. If you go the park at the weekend you can see how you well used it is. And when the St Ann's hospital development comes on line there will even more people desperate for open space
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Just to be clear, I don't think the Youth Zone idea is barmy - their track record of engaging with young people seems impressive - it's that Chestnuts is even on the possible list of sites. If you look at Haringey on Google maps, Chestnuts is one of the smaller green bits. Wouldn't somewhere like Lordship rec or White Hart Lane be more suitable?
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Thanks for sharing Kellie. Just a small correction - Haringey/Onside haven't made a planning application for a Youth Zone in Chestnuts Park yet. The links in our website post above are to the planning application in Barking and Dagenham for a Youth Zone in Parsloes Park there. They show the size of a Youth Zone, and the fact that an entire corner of the park is needed for one.
Any friends of our park concerned about this development are welcome to come to our meeting this Sunday at 11am at Chestnuts Community Centre
Thanks
Ceri
Chair of Friends of Chestnuts Park
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I find the whole posting rather confusing....on the one hand it states that the plan "would involve losing a substantial corner of our park from its current public ownership" but then goes on to say "the Youth Zone would only occupy the footprint of the Community Centre which is less than 810 sq metres. However we know that is not possible." Referring to a completely different planning application in another borough in different circumstances is really unhelpful. It's impossible to understand where any of these comments derive from. Is there an actual plan or not? Or is this all notional at this stage?
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hi Antoinette, sorry if our website post was confusing and thanks for pointing it out. We have corrected it to read "At first we were told by LBH that the Youth Zone would only occupy the footprint of the Community Centre, which is less than 810 sq metres. However we believe that is not possible. They need at least 5000 sq metres for a Youth Zone complex".
Because there's been so little info available, we referred to the recent Barking and Dagenham application for another youth zone to illustrate the usual size required.
Hope that makes it clearer. There is an actual plan. LBH Cabinet have agreed to the arrangement with Onside, as per the Cabinet minutes we posted. The current suggested location is Chestnuts Park, but that is not yet confirmed. Onside are not keen on the location, but it's the only one that Haringey have been able to find within Onside's timetable.
Hope that makes it all clearer. Do get back to us if it's not. We're learning more by the hour, so it's sometimes hard to communicate clearly!
Ceri, Chair, Friends of Chestnuts Park
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That does make it clearer thanks. When I was referring to whether there was "an actual plan" I was referring to whether there was a geographical plan of the proposed development in Chestnut's Park and the answer to that (from going through the LBH Cabinet paper) is there isn't at this stage. I'm still not clear where your comments such as "they need at least 5,000 sq metres" come from. They outlined what facilities they intend to provide but not the metreage required. Wouldn't that depend on how high the development was? It's not necessarily going to be single-storey for all the facilities. I agree with Michael, Lordship Rec seems like a much more appropriate location
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I'd assumed that the outside kick pitch etc would push up the area needed.
You'd have thought that they'd need a few more of these across the borough tho. There's a fair few teens living in haringey.
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hi Andy, many people also feel that investment should not all be located in just one venue, given travel patterns for young people across the borough.
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hi Antoinette
We would not support giving away any public open space parkland at all to any external organisation to build on or use for private purposes. Public parks are protected in a variety of ways from being sold or built upon. Haringey's own policy is not to build on green space in parks! Lordship is also protected, amongst other ways, by the Heritage Lottery Grant it received which prevents it being sold or given away to another organisation for non public park use. Chestnuts is also protected as a Queen Elizabeth II Fields In Trust designated park, and is required to continue to offer free open access to everyone. Most Youth Zones are built on brownfield sites, in city centres. They charge an annual joining fee, and a fee for each visit to a particular age group. However low the fees, that is not the same as public access to a park.
We estimated the minimum 5000 sq metres from looking at other youth zone complexes, which mostly have two storey buildings, with a climbing wall and the central area using the full height of the building in an atrium, like the current Chestnuts Community Centre. They also need an outdoor kickabout pitch and service area which adds to the overall dedicated and enclosed space they require. This would inevitably mean enclosing and building on some currently open public space, which Friends Groups would oppose.
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