Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
noise pollution during the day / weekends from music
Hi,
we've got the issue with the neighbour next to us having frequent parties. It's not actually the couple themselves, but their adult kids / grandkids who all seem to have their birthday parties in their garden, plus football celebrations, plus plus plus. It amounted to 2 parties last weekend, again today, sometimes during the week (Fri afternoons especially) plus at bank holidays (3x during the Easter weekends). The parties usually don't go on till late which I wouldn't really care about (I'd be asleep anyway) only until about 11pm but they're all in the garden. There's kids playing (which I've got nothing against as I've got kids myself) but also loud music and usually shouting and often arguments. Plus they do BBQs at all parties which smokes in our garden and especially our terrace with seating area.
My question is now: what is usually exepted re day time parties?
None of the other neighbours has parties as frequently and as loudly as this flat. I just want to accept my garden in a bit of peace and quiet at weekends. I'd understand the occasional party, but feel this is too much especially as it's not even the people living there really having them.
In addition to this, the flat above them who houses 4 young people now have parties. By far not as often, however the flat at the bottom was complaining about them being noisy... and at times we've got 2x music coming from that garden with 2 parties....
The council website doesn't say much about parties before late nights.
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Permalink Reply by Tina S on
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Just wanted to add: we are planning to speak to them, just wanted to have an idea first what the legal framework says (as we've not found clarity online).
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Hi
If diplomacy has failed, you will have to call the council's noise team.
In order to assess whether the noise constitutes a statutory nuisance, an officer will need to witness the noise from within your property to assess if it 'prevents you from enjoying your property'. The test is based on what the activity of the average person would be for the time when the noise was occurring - for example, in the summer time, sitting in your garden or living room with the windows open. Or at night, sleeping. The officer will assess whether the noise is excessive, is constant or intermittent and whether it constitutes a nuisance. Following a warning to the perpetrators, an abatement notice can be served for a repeat offence.
Hope this helps
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Tina, it's really important to document what is happening - dates, times, the nature of the nuisance. It's one of the first things you will be asked to do as part of the nuisance investigation. Also it is probably worth speaking to other neighbours who could be just as inconvenienced as you are. As well as giving weight to the investigation it can help with the feeling that you're suffering this alone.
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Hi, thanks for your replies so far. We've tried speaking to the neighbour in question yesterday in a very reasonable way but he was unwilling to do anything about the noise as he stated it was only 10pm (it was 10.20 and the noise was there since midday) and went out bragging about it.
I called the council, but the noise ended shortly afterwards. They took about 90mins to get back to me.
I've overheard that another neighbour complained today, too.
We will keep a log.
Can I ask: how common is it that people enquire with councils if there are noise complaints and does the council have to share this information? I'm just mindful if we ever want to rent out or sell our house, are we shooting ourselves in the foot?
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There was a requirement for local authorities to provide this information via their Land Charges people back in the short lived days of HIPs. Now the buyers solicitors will ask for the seller to complete a Sellers Property Information Form (SPIF) which does ask about complaints and disputes but the form can also be used to explain how the dispute was resolved and is no longer relevant to the purchase.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on
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The Anti-Social Behaviour website helps define the nature of a noise nuisance at:
http://asbhelp.co.uk/noisy-neighbours-noise
The start off by stating:
Statutory Noise Nuisance
Noise that is unreasonable is:
Loud noise after 11pm and before 7am Loud music and other household noise at an inappropriate volume at any timeAnd then they go in to more detail.
You need to keep a log and you will need to contact Haringey Council - see:
http://www.haringey.gov.uk/environment-and-waste/noise-and-animal-c...
Their contact details are stated as:
'Contact telephone numbers to report a noise
Office Hours:
- Monday to Friday: 9am-5pm, Tel 020 8489 1335
Outside Office Hours:
- Weekdays - Monday to Friday 5pm-9am, Tel 020 8489 0000
- Weekends - Friday 5pm to Monday 9am, Tel 020 8489 0000
... please note that our officer finishes duty at 3am each morning (4am on Friday and Saturday nights) and does not return to duty until 9am (8am on Saturday and Sunday). However you can report noise to us 24 hours a day, 7 days a week online ...'
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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If you have a roof terrace that overlooks their garden, that will be illegal.
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Next door to us is a house of students, also in the house behind mine. All our gardens back on to each other. Both houses have parties almost every day. Weekends are awful as they both party till all hours. A couple of weeks ago, they both had 24 hour parties. Luckily for me, my bedroom and living room are tucked back from the gardens, but for my neighbours that are affected by them, it must be hell.
Saying this, I often avoid using my garden even during the day, as they are all usually out there shouting and playing music. At this rate, I long for the winter to get some peace.
I really feel sorry for you. I'm all for fun and socialising, but honestly, this type of thing goes beyong fairness.
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