Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
More Bad News on Green Lanes Betting Shops
The Licensing Committee has granted permission for a premises licence for Betfred (next to the Post Office). One slender hope remains in the form of a possible refusal from the Planning Inspectorate for planning permission, whose decision is still awaited, but with the licence now granted, the scales are tipped further against us.
What all this means, which of course we already knew, is that it is impossible to prevent an unlimited number of betting shops opening in our community.
What all this means, which of course we already knew, is that it is impossible to prevent an unlimited number of betting shops opening in our community.
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Permalink Reply by Anette on
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FINALLY! What's there to stop us getting a permission to hold a demo? Nothing! Let's do it!
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Permalink Reply by james walsh on
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I'm not sure turning up mob handed outside a betting shop armed with missiles and hand weapons is a good idea, at least we should not use petrol bombs or catapults. I'm against extreme violence to make a political point.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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All the shops that had their windows smashed in the poll-tax riots are still in business :-)
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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Fully agree with the whole cross party ethos. the reason behind getting DL involved was primarily down to speeding up the process and having some ministerial weight behind blocking roads, pavements etc.
Now who's in? I bet we don't get more than 10 people to sign up. Prove me wrong HOL.
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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I cant say I'm in or out because we dont have a date for the grand opening yet, do we? Plus there is the chance that without permission to hold a demonstration, you could get arrested for public order offence or such like. Any lawyers out there who know if we can just show up to protest?
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I cant say I'm in or out because we dont have a date for the grand opening yet, do we? Plus there is the chance that without permission to hold a demonstration, you could get arrested for public order offence or such like. Any lawyers out there who know if we can just show up to protest?
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Permalink Reply by PeterPiper on
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Ruth, you are absolutely correct, any unauthorised demonstration would invite the attention of the 'boys in blue', justifiably so IMO, and I doubt they'd be very impressed, we don't want anybody being carted off to the cells, do we?
Yes, it would take some organising, and dealing with bureaucracy, but that need not be a deterrent IMO. I expect they would suggest limiting numbers because of the cramped street space, whereas to hold a march, would necessitate getting large numbers out to create an impression and lots of costs, closing the street for one, and marshals.
A successful demonstration is really one that gets the maximum publicity - so numbers don't have to be massive, just dedicated, armed with banners, literature, flyers, petitions etc to explain the cause, and to give plenty of advance warning to media outlets.
James, did anyone mention a desire to promote mayhem, and a public nuisance? I don't think so.
The recent march protesting the closure of the A&E, and other services at the Whittington, passed off without incident, and 5,000 people turned up for that. A member of HM's constabulary told me he'd had a very pleasant afternoon. The organisers, DWHC had people who stayed behind to clear up all the banners & litter outside the hospital after the rally. I guess you weren't there to see it.
As I said earlier, I think this is a good idea, and is worth investigating. What we need now is commitment to get organised, so who's up for it, who's got some time?
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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Agree Peter. Gone about the right way, such a demo could attract a lot of coverage in the wider media because it deals with issues that are a national problem, certainly at least in other areas of London. Green Lanes is only the most obvious manifestation because we live near it.
James, what kind of impact on public opinion are you seeking? Your tacit support for violence, provided its not extreme violence and weaponry short of petrol bombs and catapaults, if acted upon, would be the best present that the gambling industry could wish for, were a demo to be held. It would help undermine opposition to saturation gambling. It the kind of thing that a devious opponent might not only welcome privately, but covertly organise.
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Thanks Clive, we have had support & national publicity in the past, regarding saturation by bookies in Green Lanes.
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Thanks Peter for reminding us. You were in there protesting when it was neither popular nor profitable - except for the bookies. Certainly a demo outside the Building Society I used for thirty-five years would have my support and presence. And yes, non party political. Certainly involve D.Lammy, D.Schmitz, S.Sullivan and any councillors or would-be councillors who are up for it, but no 'colonization' of the issue.
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Yes Peter's a star. I saw him in there – Haringey Council Licence Hearings – battling two years ago, along with Ian, Hugh and of course Mario.
I remember the irrepressible Mario once making the point, why are representatives of the community put to that kind of time, trouble and expense, time and again, when the community has made clear its views repeatedly?
Many councillors (with one or two notable exceptions) are like-minded. Why is nothing being done? The law is not serving the community; the system is not working. It calls for public demonstration.
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I agree that the organisational and bureaucratic aspects of arranging a demo shouldn't put us off. I'll definitely be there if we manage to pull it off.
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