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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Six mature trees with trunks over 1ft have been cut down on the Mcdonald's property. They have also pollarded many others (I'd be amazed if they survived the heat wave). 

Disgraceful to see large tree's being taken down in our borough so Mcdonald's can renovate. 

They feed people terrible food and lower our air quality. Utterly horrible of them to attack our health from so many fronts. 

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Here's that planning application. It's very  undemanding where trees are concerned (which is worrying). There's simply a question asking about the presence of trees.

The drawing showing the proposed works shows the trees, but makes no mention of their removal (pdf attached). This may be because there appears to be very little protection for trees in UK Law. (I wonder how that compares with the law in other countries). The Woodland Trust's page on the subjecthas the following.

Without permission, it’s an offence to cut down, uproot or wilfully destroy any trees:

  • subject to a Tree Preservation Order (TPO)
  • in a Conservation Area
  • over 5 cubic metres in volume (whether an individual tree or several smaller trees).

By the way, here's the visual impact development of the site from 2022 to 2021. Now even the trees are gone. We went from beech hedge and trees, then from about 2015 to fence and trees, and this month to trees only. Anyone have a photo of it as it is today?

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Here you go, Hugh. I've got pictures of 5 of the big tree stumps as well.

The transformation from a lovely green space with a McDonald's to an asphalt wasteland is quite jaw-dropping. 

I wonder if they thought it was concealing their branding? It's not like it's hard to miss!

It's a bit post-apocalyptic, isn't it. I've just written the following email to Mike and Julie, the two councillors for Hermitage and the Gardens ward, copying in Zena and Anna from the Ladder side, as well as both resident associations.

Hi Julie & Mike,

I hope you’re staying cool in this unprecedented heat. 

…….talking of which, it seems an odd time for McDonalds to be completing the de-greening of their Harringay premises. We went from beech hedge and trees up until about 2015 to fence and trees, and then this month to no green at all. (See my latest comment on the current HoL thread posted by 'Park').

Liz Ixer and I have both attempted to get some response from the company though Twitter, but so far to no avail.

I’m writing to you for two reasons.

Firstly, I wonder if someone ‘official’ should write to McDonalds making it clear how the locals feel about their decision. As far as I’m aware they’ve done illegal, but neither have they been transparent, or considerate to the neighbourhood. No mention was made of the intention to remove trees in their detailed work plans submitted in the planning application (See my latest comment on HoL).

Secondly, I question what Haringey are / should be doing to in the planning department (as well as others) to protect our trees. Whilst it appears that there is no planning law to cover most trees, I wonder if there is any advice Haringey might give planning applicants on trees, getting them to consider other options, or even incentivising them to keep or plant trees - at the very least there could be more detailed questioning in the application form, which might be followed up with a paragraph in a letter in response. Might a highly visible section also be added to the online application record to maxmise the visibility of any planned tree works? Where Haringey is silent on the matter, RKBC appears to be much more assertive on tree retention.

I just googled "councils incentivising tree planting / retention” and came up with The search to incentivise the establishment and retention of trees ... which led to Global review of incentive schemes for the retention and successful...

(By the way, I also came across Camden’s 2019 “Trees” pdf. Compare RKBC’s andCamden's documents with the only thing I could find from Haringey - a rather dusty old Tree Strategy from 2008.)

Sorry to take up your time with this, but I think it’s probably worth not just passing over. I’m sure you’re as aware as I am of the benefits of trees and green spaces.

All the best,

H

Thanks Hugh,

I've emailed Mcdonalds and their CEO about it.

I'm hoping if enough pressure is put on them, appropriate trees can be re-instated. 

Probably a pipe dream, but companies shouldn't be allowed to get away with this kind of cynical destruction of our natural resources. 

It just might be that they're planning to replant smaller trees (or let's hope we can shame them into saying - and doing - as much). 

Thank you Hugh. That's a good letter. Hopefully it will elicit a positive and tangible response.

It's challenging small scale everyday degradations in the environment that will help slow global warming. The big marches make no difference because Governments and corporations can ride out the short term storm. However, locals getting together have the numbers and can bring a recalcitrant offenders into line. 

In this case I'm sure a few well organised and persistent school kids with banners out the front of the arena could bring about a change in attitude at the Harringay McDonalds. 

I'd love to see them replanting established trees along the front and side plus converting part of their never full carpark to a green space (combination of hedges, trees and shrubs).

Assuming none of that will happen Brian, I'd be happy with some local youf simply spraying McArseholes down the side of their building.

I will happily turn up for a protest.

A community garden that transforms an area of the car park sounds like a brilliant idea. 

We will come to a protest! And bring our kids.

May I share these pictures on Harringay Ladder parents Facebook group?

Absolutley!

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