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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

According to the IBTimes, the London street with the most reported stabbings in the past few years is in Haringey... and no, it's not in Tottenham but rather closer to home...

High Road, running from Turnpike Lane junction, up past Wood Green, witnessed 58 stabbings along High Road between 2012 and 2014 - more than double the number in the Old Kent Road, in Southwark, which had the second highest number of recorded stabbings with 28.

It gets worse...

"Police recorded 16 stabbings at nearby Green Lanes, two of which were in the N15 postcode."

Full article here.

Tags for Forum Posts: Crime, Knives, Stabbings

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I really don't like that bit of Green Lanes, it has a nasty vibe to it. That said, this quote from the article by a police officer is important: "In relative terms, London is a very safe city,".

Yes, and 58, one a week, could be down entirely to Friday nights outside one particularly nasty pub say. I'm sure it's not, but you're right, context.

58 in two years ( or possibly 3 years. depending on how they are counting )

29  or fewer per year.

But one is too many of course.

Ah yes, my mistake!

You have to be really careful with data like this and the conclusions that are drawn from it. The way the Met record crime is linked to fairly large postcode areas. You can see the effect of that on the Met Police crime map for serious crimes showing areas where the postcode catchment area for mapping includes a tube station. For instance the actual park in Finsbury Park shows high rates of crime although many of the crimes are attributable to crime in and around Finsbury Park station. Same goes for Holloway Road where the tube station is and Junction Road because of Archway and Tufnell Park tubes. In Wood Green the crime hotspots seem to link directly to Turnpike Lane and Wood Green stations
Having said all that there is a high rate of crime in and around Wood Green/Turnpike Lane and I, like John, really do sense a vibe in those area that isn't a pleasant one.

well firstly 58 over 3 years isn't one a week - more 1 every 3 weeks.

And I think it's important to note that knife crime in Haringey overall has fallen over the last three years.

So things are getting better. It just takes time.

I think there's a real structural problem with the southern end of the high road in that there are very few venues for eating or drinking along the road, so there is virtually no legitimate night-time economy and very little social traffic. Compare and contrast with the level of varied activity on Green Lanes at virtually any time of the night.

THE Evening Standard covered this a few days later, here.

Well of course they did - it's an attention grabbing headline.  Pretty much like putting an attention grabbing thread on here.

But does highlighting all the things wrong with a local area help us in anyway?  Surely responding to attention grabbing headlines just fosters a feeling of being unsafe leading to people avoiding said areas, which in turn makes them more 'unsafe'.

The reality is that most people walking along the high street are not going to be stabbed.  Without knowing the details - I would suggest your likely hood of being involved in knife crime increases if you are male, probably black and young.

So the real question is why do these young men feel the need to fight with each other - and what can be done to tackle that?  The effects are not felt by the average person who walks down the street - but reverberates deep into the communities of the friends/families of these young men. That is what needs to be addressed.  And I would suggest that is driven in some part by how society demonises them.  A veritable tangled web.

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