Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Last chance to Support Living Wightman, go the extra yard & make your mark.
We can't be complacent, many leaflets have been dropped advocating no change, which will be the poorest outcome for residents across the Ladder,
this is the first time our lungs have been considered, don't let Haringey council muddy the water, we need to go for it now.
I'm sure there are other posts on interventions, but this is my reminder.
Living Wightman's link here:
http://www.livingwightman.org/p/faq.html?m=1#faq11
or follow the 10 step guide through below:
Q11: How do I complete the survey to support the filtering of Wightman Road?
https://www.research.net/r/GLATS
Haringey council's engagement survey asks for your opinion on ten different 'Packages' of options, each Package has between 5 and 14 options.
For each option you can click a button to indicate how strongly you support or oppose that option:
In total there are over 70 options across the ten packages, (yes really,)
so allow yourself time if you want to read all the accompanying details & wish to answer every question.
It is possible to simplify the options, if you just want to support Living Wightman's aims.
If all you want to do is indicate support for "Package WL4: Wightman Road Closed (Filtered)",
follow these steps:
• Go to https://www.research.net/r/GLATS and click Next
• Click No to "Would you like to comment on this Package (AW - Area-wide Improvements)" - then click Next
• Also click No & click Next for the next two Packages PC and GL
• Click Yes to comment on Package WL
• For Package WL1, click "I don't know/not applicable" for each option
• Also for Package WL2 and WL3, you can click "I don't know/not applicable" for each option (you can click Oppose to options WL2-01a and WL3-01a if you are against one-way)
• for Package WL4, click "Strongly Support" for all options
• Question 13* is where you can indicate your preferred package as WL4
(note that the question number may be higher than 13 if you clicked Yes to comment on any previous packages.)
• Click No & click Next for the last two Packages HE and SA
• The final question asks for your house number and postcode, this is just to allow the consultants to classify responses according to where they live (and stop the same household responding more than once!)
If you did want to comment on any of the other package options you can click Yes to any Package and then support or oppose the options as you wish. Most of us are strongly opposed to one-way (package WL2 and WL2) and generally support the various area-wide traffic calming and streetscape improvements and cycle schemes.
For Living Wightman the single most important goal is to maximise support for Package WL4 as this is the only option to ensure long-term drastic reduction of traffic on the worst affected Wightman Road.
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert on
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Our children have a right to clean air, this should be protected, car usage and car dependency need closer scrutiny to ensure journeys are not unnecessary, there is a lot we can do on logistics and journey frequency.
We have cars, we need to think when and how we use them, we know how many journeys are being made, but a breakdown would be enlightening; white vans, HGV's, commercial, local, non local traffic, etc.
If we know the purpose of journeys this will lead to better planning.
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Permalink Reply by 1vut8bf3om5m9 on
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@Antionette-So if a councilor says nothing one way or another, that means that person is against Option 4? This is the upshot of your post.
The good result wouldn't be just for Wightman Road residents. Ladder residents and cyclists from all over as well.
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1. What I said is what I meant - no councillor has expressed support for the filtering of Wightman Road
2. I'm a ladder resident and I don't consider it a good result...anything but
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Permalink Reply by Nick on
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Fortunately the council think differently;
“Wightman Road is vital to ensuring the smooth flow of traffic through our borough..."
Voted for option 1, which is by some margin the most sensible choice.
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Option one is a vote for continual neglect in Harringay.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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The entire area outside of the ladder? You mean Crouch End, The Gardens, Hermitage, Islington, Hackney, Stoud Green? All those places with filtering and anti rat-running measures?
I'm ignoring what some residents quaintly call "The Harringay Levels" but presume that they would be catered for under "mitigating measures".
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Which filtering in Stroud Green? You can get to Crouch End by 'rat running' through Oakfield Road, Mount View Road, Weston Park etc.
Almost every road in the area is 'residential', and many of these carry similar levels of traffic to Wightman - should they all be 'filtered'?
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Permalink Reply by JoeW on
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Nick - there are no other residential streets in the area similar to Wightman with narrow frontages, narrow (inaccessible) pavements, narrow carriageways that are hostile to cyclists, and yet carrying over 1000 vehicles per hour every hour during daylight hours.
If there were then absolutely they should be filtered too.
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You've defined an arbitrary set of criteria in an attempt to exclude every other road. However:
Westbury Avenue (which is an A road, but mostly residential)
https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.595731,-0.094777,53.97h,-16.1...
Black Boy Lane:
https://www.instantstreetview.com/@51.585229,-0.089408,349.5h,-12.6...
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Nick, the criteria are not "arbitrary" they are criteria for determining what capacity a street has for carrying high volumes of traffic.
I think Blackboy Lane does need protection but Wightman has to be the highest priority since Wightman's hourly traffic volume is nearly double Blackboy Lane:
Westbury Avenue is an A-road as you say, A-roads are designed to carry higher volumes of traffic. Wightman is not designed to carry high volumes of traffic, but Wightman currently carries about 50% more than Westbury Avenue. Westbury Avenue has reasonably wide pavements too.
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Joe, if you're taking into account road classifications then you cannot ignore that Wightman is a B road. If you ignore them momentarily, then Westbury Avenue is not unlike Wightman Road. The pavements look of similar width to me.
Do you have the traffic stats for Westbury Avenue?
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