Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Labour Party gave America access to all your personal details in 2007.
This would allow Americans to control the rise and fall of British political hopefuls and commercial interests and effectively play puppet master with our democracy and important industrial secrets.
It's treason if you ask me.
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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It's fairly clear, whilst labour was last in government a huge amount of evidence now suggests that they signed of the ability for America to read all our emails and listen to all our phone calls and possibly even record all our images whenever they want to even if there is overwhelming evidence that millions of those people are not guilty in any way.
Since then it's come to light that this new massively non regulated form of espionage has since been used to steal corporate secrets and gives foreign powers the ability to manipulate a huge swath of UK possibilities.
There is now leaks coming out this includes personal amateur self made sex tapes of British citizens which are now stored on a NSA and GSHQ servers.
So far Ed Milliband has not promised to outlaw this abuse of state power if he gets back into power.
So why the heck would anyone ever vote for any political party which can't offer that guarantee if the rise of the 'big brother society' is something of serious concern ?
I'm giving labour grief here simply because this happened on their watch. I appreciate many of the civilising victories the labour movement has achieved in the UK but this time, they failed us badly and they need to be told loudly by people inside their organisation and out.
PS I've gone well beyond the call of duty to support labour before in some ways even though I have mostly always voted green, I'm no enemy of the Labour Party believe you me. I just feel hugely disappointed with them in recent years.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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I think you have your facts wrong.
If I am right, will it change your mind though?
>>a huge amount of evidence now suggests that they signed of the ability for America to read all our emails
Yeah, right. So the NSA needed permission from the UK to read our emails? Wrong.
>>non regulated form of espionage
But didn't you just write that it needed permission?
>>the ability to manipulate a huge swath of UK possibilities
Oh come on, this is such a generality that it is meaningless. Yes, there are spies. Who knew?
>>personal amateur self made sex tapes
Check your facts - this is highly misleading - how can you have a "sex tape" of one still image every five minutes? if your views are based on misleading info I ask again, is this what you know or what you want to believe? It's all a conspiracy is it? Our senior politicians are plotting to destroy us? If you weren't serious I'd think you were joking.
>>Ed Milliband has not promised to outlaw this abuse of state power
So, you think that if Ed makes a series of promises you'll fall back in love with him? I don't think so. Can he actually stop the NSA? I don't think so.
>> why the heck would anyone ever vote
This is silly beyond words. What planet are you on? So, all the politicians have to do is satisfy your list of demands and they'll get elected?
>>the rise of the 'big brother society'
Are you really worried about this or is it just flim-flam? I think you know enough tech to protect yourself don't you? Before you pop back down into your bunker, what 8 records will you take with you?
>> they failed us badly
Who is the us? Did they fail more epically than their rivals?
>>they need to be told loudly by people
Why do you think this is not happening?
>> I have mostly always voted green
I think the greens are marvellous and want to see almost all their policies enacted. However, in the one council they run (Brighton) they did impose even more savage cuts than the Tories and want the Council Tax to go up by 4.75% - the truth is that govt is hard - you can't please all the people all of the time. It's dead easy to promise:
The force of the green argument is such that they have made an important, beneficial difference to our world and one result of that is that all parties say they support the environment.
One thing people forget about the greens is that they were partly founded on the "no growth" platform. How's that working out for you, do you think we should stop all growth? No new airports for example? No new cars? No new industry? No more housebuilding? It simply isn't going to happen so have the greens backtracked on that one?
The Greens do make a difference, but it's self-defeating - anything good gets adopted by the others. I would like to see more than one Green MP but the cruel reality is that it's about right - they simply don't have enough support to be relevant.
To me it's simple - if you vote green you end up blue. The only real choice is which regime you live under. Either the country goes right-wing or it goes left. Your support for the greens is in effect an abstention because you know it will make no effective difference, don't you?
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I support the greens because they are the only party that seems to really appreciate that in a finite planetary environment you can't have infinite growth, unless it's sustainable.
However stick to the discussion Chris, you were the one that posted a big brother apple advert and suggested we need to worry about the 'NSA'. Whilst insisting that Labour needs to be supported. I simply reminded you that the last labour government was the NSA's biggest partner in crime.
Your argument made no sense. Still doesn't.
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>>they are the only party
All the major parties claim to support "sustainability" - it's a weasel term that means nothing. I ask again, do you support the green policy of no growth? Realistically, if action needs to be taken, who is more likely to make a real difference? The Greens or the Govt? A vote for the Greens is a triumph of hope over expectation. The green idea is a good one and their role is to propagate their ideas, but it is the majority govt that decides what to do and all the major parties have adopted all the popular green ideas wholesale, because they make sense.
Remember the Tories promising the Greenest Govt ever? The ConDems cut cut cut - it's rare when things like Flood Defences bite them back - most of their cuts are not such obvious howlers.
Are you against fracking? If so, the Greens have no chance of stopping it and the ConDems are not - the only party that could is Labour.
How about nuclear power? Against that?
>>the last labour government was the NSA's biggest partner in crime.
Which govt was it that went into the Guardians' London offices to preside over the destruction of a hard disk that they knew only contained a copy of the data the NSA wanted destroyed? That just shows you how even right-wing governments just don't get todays world, let alone the left, so the idea that it is directed by senior politicians is wrong - that's the problem, the spooks are out of control and have secret budgets.
I think it is probably true that the British spooks are in bed with US spooks, but it's not that political, they always were and always will be - only the Left ever stand up to the US, and only a little because the US has so many vested interests here. The Tories have always been closest to authoritarianism - Thatcher was much closer to Reagan than any Labour PM has ever been ideologically. It is the right that generally wants to curtail individual rights and take bites out of our liberty in the name of security.
Who is the NSA's biggest partner in crime? Answer: whichever govt is in power. The NSA would surely cite the ConDems as their partner, not Labour, because the ConDems are in govt.
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The evidence is suggesting - regarding the privacy of the individual, no previous government in the history of parliamentary democracy has ever been so authoritarian as was the last labour government.
They effectively allowed a foreign power to read all our letters, film us naked, listen to all our conversations and tap into all our private google search thoughts and musings.
Think about it.
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So it all stopped in 2010 when they lost power? I don't think so.
So that would make them the 2nd most authoritarian, wouldn't it?
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No, it seems they broke the protocol, they signed off the change in dynamic, they did it first, they keep the ugly title as the most abusive government of individual privacy the UK has ever had.
Sadly all we can now hope, is they keep that title forever.
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News just in ....
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/02/labour-spy-agency-co...
The comments at the bottom are even more interesting.
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