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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Can I please ask HoL members for assistance.

Haringey's street lighting team is currently listing all remaining lighting columns on public roads, without a unique ID tag (metal plate). Here's an example - just below the street-sign.

It would be great if people spotting these can report them - giving e.g. the street and nearest house number.

Using the ID tag makes it straightforward to report lighting columns which are out, or damaged. Or on during the day - wasting energy and halving the life of the lamp.

A free Light Line number - 0500-236-458 - operates 24-hours with an answerphone outside office hours.
Reporting a streetlight via the council's website gives you a confirmation reference if you need to chase-up.
Email: StreetLighting@haringey.gov.uk - which also gives you a reference.

(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)

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This isn't precisely on topic, but I would like to say the Council has done a good job of replacing street lighting in the upper part of Stapleton Hall Road. It's a pity the old Victorian lamp posts couldn't be retained but this is more than made up for by the effective flood of light that the new street lights provide.
Is there a difference between a "lighting column" and a lamp-post?

I don't wish to disparage your good work, but really ...
Justin it's a generational thing. As an elderly resident, I use the Victorian term, but due to Alan's youth, he naturally uses the new nomenclature of a younger generation.
Yep 'lamp post' means adequate light to light your way..

Lighting column means too much light (light pollution) bad for people, animals and the city.. We humans need darkness and light and shouldn't be forced to live in a 24h lit world..
'Lighting column' is my shorthand, Justin. I don't know what the OED editors have ruled. But I tend to use the term to include a range of lighting on our streets, pavements, alleys and housing estates. Including:
● These concrete columns
● Both sorts of lights in this photo
● And even Ferry Lane's 'giant gillette'.

By the way, I'm not claiming any credit. That belongs to the Lighting Team. And sometimes to Transport for London.
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Stephen, over the years both I and several of our neighbours were robbed in the street. It certainly made me think much harder about better sight-lines, removing "lurking areas"; and pressing for brighter lighting. Which - with modern design - can cause less light pollution.

I also assume a link between good city street lighting and lower traffic accidents. Though I'll admit that I can't quote you figures.
We human need darkness and light and shouldn't be forced to live in a 24h lit world..

Stephen, I'm a light and shade man myself but I've always suspected Caravaggio was big on chiaroscuro to facilitate his love of brawling in Italian and Maltese forerunners of Harringay Passage. I'm sure a perfectly functioning lighting column led to his early demise - whatever they may theorise 400 years later about excess lead in his paints.
I'm certainly no roadways-furniture lighting-column apparatus specialist, but I'm with AS on this.

The new lampposts in my street have made a big positive difference. The tall, black discreet lampposts direct the light down (not sideways) and across the whole road. I suspect they're quite efficient and the electricity is being generated anyway. I think they improve safety and security. Some brownie points for the council are in order.
Alan, OAE and Clive, the point I was point trying to make is that why do street lights have to be so high? Lighting all three stories of Green Lanes /Grand Parade house is IMO not necessary.
What's a good/ideal for the pedestrian is not good for the resident trying to get some sleep without having to barricade himself in behind blinds (especially in summer) and it does spoil sleep patterns of many people and wildlife.

The UK in general is notoriously bad on Light Pollution.. (I think only Belgium is worse) There's absoloutely no reason why Motorways have to be lit .. it converts miles countryside into urban areas, makes living conditions bad for wildlife.. and costs millions in electric bills for county councils.. example in Haringey : Watermead Way .. no need for lighting.

save some money - turn half of them off (all on the motorways) .. they are not necessary and although might contribute to the feel good factor, don't really do much to stop crime.. If that were the case, they wouldn't be any now, would there?
Alan, quick question on this. I walked down the south half of the Harringay Passage today and noticed that a fair few lamp posts didn't have tags. Should I simply report that the Passage needs a survey or try to note individual lighting columns.

Anyone up the north end of the Passage notice if the streetlights have all been tagged?
Unless it's only a few columns in places which are relatively easy to report, I'd suggest you ask the Lighting Team to take a look along the whole Passage.

Plainly, an ID tag is even more important down an alley because you can't use a house number.

I'd also appreciate you and other people reporting on HoL with the outcome.
Okay, I've dropped them an email to start with suggesting a look at the Harringay Passage.

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