Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Just saw Steve Coogan with Catherine West at Wood Green
Oddly, it really seemed like he was in character. He kind of plays himself.
Lost my vote anyway.
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Permalink Reply by Philip on
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Don't think you've really spent much time reading up on the bedroom tax. These are not 'under occupied' housing. They are just spare bedrooms. Council flats are generally built with three bedrooms so when one is emptly there is no available two bedroom flat to move to so people either have to do without or move, which often means moving out of the neighbourhood. Many people in Tottenham have had to move and then have all the hassle of finding a new place and then getting their kids to school in Haringey every day. It hasn't saved a penny and is a vindictive and nasty piece of class hatred. It is also a by product of the 'right to buy' which has seen one third of Haringey council housing sold off and not replaced. Many of these end up in the portfolios of private landlords who then get fat on housing benefit, which of course WE have to pay for.
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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For every spare bedroom, someone is going without. if you only have limited resources that are hugely wanted, you need to efficiently share those resources. Obviously we should make that move as painless as possible, maybe offer the person a nice incentive for the effort but ultimately I think all spare bedrooms are a luxury that is only afforded by denying some else the right to sleep in that room.
Saying that I think there should be some leeway, like if a kid goes to uni, the room should remain available until they are finish their first degree maybe but the idea that eventually the room should go to someone that needs it, is a better idea in my mind.
We've got a HUGE growing national debt even the Tories can't seem to fix , Labour needs to come up with some policies that are going help innovate change, not faffing around with allowing single people to live in multi bedroom flats for their whole lives.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I never had you figured for a right-winger FPR. You are arguing that the bedroom tax is in principle a good thing. Phillip has pointed out that in application it is a very bad thing.
You missed Tom Watson and Catherine West was council leader of the year in 2013 in Islington. She's a fabulous candidate, she has to be to go up against Lynne Featherstone.
Unfortunately the local Labour party used the bedroom tax argument in 2014 and it's just not as effective the second time around.
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There's nothing left wing in miss managing your housing stock, it's just waste. This should have been rectified ages ago. I used to have a two bed housing association flat but because my mum was too ill and couldn't live with me, I offered to give it back for a one bedder because I appreciated there were other families that would have needed a two bed flat more.
if an appropriate swap can be made to put a roof over more people in need, it's a no brainier.
Forget thinking in terms of left and right, that's the quick way to stop thinking for yourself
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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I think you make good points FPR. Due to Mrs Thatcher's Right-to-Buy, our social housing stock is much depleted, with Conservatives bent on reducing it even further. Their ill-considered Right-to-Buy would apply to Housing Associations, who are trying to do the right thing. This, despite the need: largely unmet and sometimes greater without, than within.
Those who might toss around "bedroom tax" too easily forget that a few of those currently not housed, are in greater need than some of those currently accommodated. Labour used to champion the least advantaged in society, but no more.
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Outside of London, where there aren't one bedroom flats, this isn't working. It's just cruel. In principle making the most of your housing stock is right, in practice it's not.
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Its also cruel to make the next generation pay for the ever growing debt we make today because of mis-management.
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Two wrongs don't make a right!
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Building new houses to house people who could have been housed correctly with current stock in the first place is a costly error which will mean not just less people well housed today but less people well housed for generations through debt repayments by doing it on her never never.
All you're doing is robing Peter to pay Paul, then robbing Peter again.
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In principle making the most of your housing stock is right, in practice it's not.
John, you may need to 'unpack' this for me please and possibly others. I think you'd accept that the quantity of social housing stock is limited (always); how can it ever be right not to make the most of it?
i.e. manage it efficiently so as to do the greatest good for the greatest number?
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Permalink Reply by Lesley G on
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So what's your solution then? Compulsory lodgers in council tenants' box rooms?
You do realise, that in the majority of areas, there aren't any 1 bed council flats for people to move into. They can't somehow get rid of their spare room, so they are 'fined'. And like virtually all of the Tory-LibDem policies, the poorest in society are penalised (i.e. shat on).
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Arranging a swap when possible to allow more people enjoy a cheap roof over their head.
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