Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Is the Crouchendification of Harringay a good thing?
The new Green Lanes bars and cafes opening between Pemberton Road and Effingham Road are beginning to show a clear trend...
New trendy Polish restaurant about to open next to Yasar Halim
Brouhaha doing great guns next door
Passion Cafe with a great new Chef (old Carpet Shop)
New American style Bar and Burger place on the corner (old Obergine) about to open
The inimitable 'Blend' cafe further up
Jam in a Jar bar, food and music venue - now well established
and probably others I've missed...
Next it'll be a delicatessen and a Waitrose....
No complaints provided we don't replace the Mediterranean buzz of Green Lanes with a scene that aspires to Crouch End (& priced accordingly)!
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Well Claire's predecessor lost his job over Baby-P. Just saying.
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Permalink Reply by Penguin on
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Why do people call an area that is getting nicer, 'gentrification'? Much of this change has been established by people who live and trade in Harringay. Because before we had gang warfare in broad daylight and dirt, refuse and building deterioration everywhere.
If it means no mindless dumping of rubbish on streets. If it means less dropping of litter. If it means a bit more choice of where to eat or drink. If it means no blue chequered mattresses dumped everywhere. If it means less than 5 satellite dishes rigged up on fine old victorian architecture. If it means safer streets. if it means less people moving in for 6 months, making their neighbours life a misery before moving on, then bring on 'gentrification' - i cannot wait!
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Richard, can I please suggest that you re-read your comment above. I'm not asking you to self-censor. Or insisting on PC language. But a few minutes of reflection might lead you to realise that you've stereotyped a large part of the population of Tottenham.
Which is what I suspect is behind the misconceived plans for "regeneration" advocated by the right-wing Koberites.
But let's go beyond Haringey. It seems to me there's a fascinating wider debate going on about what sort of London people want; and how much control or influence they have over what happens now or in the future. (With similar debates in other cities too.)
Can I suggest two brief free online publications which - given what you've posted - you may disagree with. But even so you might like to read them as a sort of "devil's advocate".
- Staying Put; An anti-gentrification handbook
- The August 2014 edition of: The Occupied Times of London. The tone is set by a pugnacious editorial.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Alan:
I can't see where Richard has mentioned Tottenham or the residents.
Can I suggest you join Emina in Remedial Reading 101 ?
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John, I'm definitely in Regeneration Class 101 trying to make sense of and wrestle with some of the complex problems facing our city and our neighbourhoods.
Having been a member of a Labour Group which got many things wrong for years, I don't claim I'm going to get everything right this time. And when I make mistakes I'd prefer to have you as a fellow explorer and learner. Albeit one who challenges what I'm reading and seeing and learning.
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Alan is right
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Alan
Because before we had gang warfare in broad daylight... - this was on Green Lanes where a poor man was murdered in the middle of the street. It was one of the reasons the GLSG was set up
....and dirt, refuse and building deterioration everywhere If it means no mindless dumping of rubbish on streets. If it means less dropping of litter. If it means a bit more choice of where to eat or drink. If it means no blue chequered mattresses dumped everywhere. If it means less than 5 satellite dishes rigged up on fine old victorian architecture. If it means safer streets. if it means less people moving in for 6 months, making their neighbours life a misery before moving on, then bring on 'gentrification' - Pick any street on the Ladder
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I agree with what Michael is saying. "mindless dumping of rubbish on streets." isn't just a Tottenham issue, it is an issue Haringey-wide (including Green Lanes, Wightman Rd, The Ladder etc.)
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Hi Alan,
I have re-read my post.
Which part of Tottenham population did I stereotype do you think?
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Richard, please, forgive me if I'm now completely confused. After I suggested you might reread your post you clarified by saying that you don't want anyone to move out, or be pushed out etc. So we agree.
And like almost everyone who lives in Haringey - including Tottenham - you "just want it to be a bit of a nicer environment to live in." Again we can agree.
But being in favour of 'gentrification' is not the same as being against litter and dumping. And certainly it's nothing to do with being against gangsters, drug dealers and gun crime.
It refers to a population shift with poorer residents displaced. Sometimes this involves compulsory purchase and/or demolition of their homes and the businesses they work in. Sometimes they are being priced out of an area. Which of course is also happening to younger better-off people who are in the so-called "Generation Rent".
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Permalink Reply by Straw Cat on
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Alan, the Staying Put handbook you linked to is a might good and useful read. But it seriously misleads people about resorting to Judicial reviews, saying all you need is a sympathetic lawyer. It references the Kings Cross Railway Lands Group JI and the Wards Corner JI as examples of successful action whereas, as you will know, both failed in court. (They could have referenced the JI mounted by the Save Ally Pally Group against the Charity Commission and Haringey, which actually did win!)
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