Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
If you love Harringay’s Green Lanes, say a massive no to a Red Route
Any further knowledge please post, this is our forum.
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Permalink Reply by adamvietnam on
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Sounds good to me
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Permalink Reply by matthew cuthbert
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They can monitor cash revenue but not the 500 cars per week disappearing in London, (driving up premiums for insurance.) Steal a car drive it to Barking and park it in South London, without any NPR recognition. It’s lucrative and running rings round a lack of direction from our commissioning body. It funds the criminal element of London to the point of lawlessness, what is the purpose of policing in Haringey ? There is no point having dialogue if those in control are not present to hear, they don’t listen to their own officers. LCSP are you listening?
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This merits an external enquiry. It is within the Met’s capability to be the best force we can hope for.
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Permalink Reply by Dan77 on
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Green Lanes is the most dangerous stretch of road I know - because of the parking. Really hope this red route business is real
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Permalink Reply by michaelw on
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The Gardens is a big parking spot & gets very full, particularly on weekend nights!!
The North-South cross streets are largely reserved for traders, so the ones furthest from Green Lanes tend to be fairly empty, but the rest of the spaces fill up.
Removing parking on Green Lanes will definitely speed up buses and would ideally improve the dire cycling conditions, though space is a bit limited. Good road design - and some speed cameras - would help discourage speeding.
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You only need to look at Archway road when they enforced the red route it virtually killed all the businesses within 6 months.
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That's just rubbish - Archway Road is full of businesses that are still going.
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Permalink Reply by Pat on
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A red route along the Grand Parade section of GL will push traffic onto the Gardens and the Ladder in terms of parking. The Gardens is already a de facto car park in the evenings and at the weekends, and implementation of a red route on GL will make things even worse. The Garden roads are not wide enough for 2-way traffic and I often see altercations between drivers, as no one wants to give way, or drivers having to reverse the length of the road to allow oncoming vehicles to pass. An option for GL along Grand Parade is to restrict parking between 7am and 7pm, which would improve traffic flow during peak hours and make it safer for cyclists.
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Permalink Reply by Dick Harris on
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What little I know of red routes suggests that there are two distinct types. Double red lines which prohibit all parking or stopping for any reason at all times, and single red lines which are more nuanced. It seems that in the case of single red lines, what exceptions apply is displayed on nearby signage.
The exchange of views regarding the situation on Archway Road prompted me to have a look at Street View. If that source is still up to date, the situation is that much of Archway Road is lined partly with double red lines and partly with single red lines. In places, and especially alongside some sections of shops, there is also a marked parking lane. In some cases, there is a single red line along the outer edge of a parking lane. In other cases, the red line is missing (even though a sign implies that it should be there). There is also a variety of additional signs which seek to explain the permissions which remain. I display below a selection of these additional signs showing the number of the Archway Road address outside which the sign is to be seen.
I have no idea what the effect on trade these restrictions might have had nor do I know how well they have been understood and/or enforced. I would say, however, that they show that single red lines are adaptable. On the other hand, I feel that Archway Road is very different from the Harringay section of Green Lanes because much of Archway Road has buildings on one side only, quite a lot of residential buildings and not much of it has shops on both sides. Perhaps, more important is the fact that Archway Road (the A1) is part of the UK’s primary road network (along with the North Circular and Seven Sister’s Road and, maybe, the A10) which Green Lanes is not and I hope never will be.
Personally, I think that the shops and restaurants along Harringay Green Lanes must be allowed to have deliveries directly from vehicles stopped outside their doors at reasonable times and that any restrictions that are introduced must be compatible with this. I think also that new restrictions would have consequences for parking in ladder and gardens roads and that this needs to be considered in advance. Remember too, that making Green Lanes easier for buses will also make it easier for heavy goods vehicles. It is worth recalling that the Primary Network Roads must be capable of carrying vehicles up to the legal limit of 40 tons and who among us want them in Green Lanes?
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Permalink Reply by tigha on
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Red route sounds good, get those parked cars offGL, complete hazard
abd yes if it means getting them on ladder roads or garden, so be it. Far too many people rely on cars when they dont always need to
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When it comes to buses, the Boris bus, (I’m sure he doesn’t take sole credit and I’m aware of the Wright Buses link with JCB, & I note the employment promoted in Ireland through this project of 1000 buses.) All three generations of this charming bus, I would give car days up for. Current buses have the charm of a portaloo, the aesthetic is patronising to the working public. I have a higher aspiration for commuters, good design is best practice. Ken’s bendy bus was ideal for roads which could see the reintroduction of the tram or trolley bus, cities like Turkey, Austria, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic & Denmark. We need direction, knowledge and vision.
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Research indicates that red routes increase traffic not reduce it. Green Lanes is a dumping ground for North London traffic, look at Finchley Road, (you can stick your Red Route up your Archway,) I wouldn’t want to live there & frankly there are better interventions. The Double Yellows on Green Lanes only serve Sainsbury’s, (not the shops from the overground bridge to Endymion,) shops struggle at this end as it’s hostile to pedestrians, and no provision for customer's to park. We need cameras 📸 like Clisdold Park to enforce 20 Mile an hour driving to make our stretch safer. We are taking traffic off Seven Sisters and Newington Green with a no right hand turn at Manor House, the only right east is St Ann’s Road & Westbury Avenue.
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