Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
HMO or possible Tardis for sale.
This 3 bedroom house contains;-
Studio 1:
15' 8" x 12' 6" (4.78m x 3.81m)
Kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
Studio 2:
11' 5" x 10' 7" (3.48m x 3.23m)
Separate kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
Studio 3:
13' 2" x 12' (4.01m x 3.66m)
Separate kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
First Floor
First floor landing:
Access to loft
Studio 4:
11' 1" x 9' 6" (3.38m x 2.90m)
Kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
Studio 5:
11' 7" x 9' 4" (3.53m x 2.84m)
Separate kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
Studio 6:
15' 9" x 14' 2" (4.80m x 4.32m)
Separate kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
Top Floor
Studio 7:
13' 2" x 12' (4.01m x 3.66m)
Kitchenette.
Self contained shower room.
This one house has been taking £5,000 in rent every month !!! With tenants paying £700/room pcm.
There needs to be a campaign for rent control and against greed.
Replies to This Discussion
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Permalink Reply by Finsbury Park Ranger on
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Personally I would prefer to go the other way and start thinking about micro homes and sleep pods for single people, Allow the market to prevail, if people want to live right close to the action and are paying from their hard earned money, then let them.
More you legislate against this sort of thing more you take out options for people and put up the cost of living up for everyone else as the same amount of people have to compete from a smaller pool of options.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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So that property has nearly trebled in price in 8 yrs (assuming sale at the asking price). Yes also assume it has been converted in betw but still!
Rental prices in the Netherlands are regulated precisely because the authorities do not want the inner city of cities like Amsterdam and the surrounding area to be turned into 'yuppie' zones--even more than they already have already become--ratherlike what has happened in London, Paris or New York. If the rental system had been liberalised, as the government proposed around two years ago, most locals would have already left the inner cities, and the apartments of popular areas ....
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Permalink Reply by GillianM on
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I noticed this too Maggie and did the same sum.... after working out how seven bedsits could fit in a 3 bed house!
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Permalink Reply by Maddy on
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I imagine a fair amount of this rent has been paid by Haringey Council in the form of housing benefit.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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There's a lot of wasted space on that landing. Surely they could install a camp bed ?
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Think of all that tax that might have been received for income and future sales if we liberally legislated for such practices instead of banning them.
We have an amazing resource, people want to live here. That's an opportunity that could make the area rich if only there were the right rules in place to turn this demand into a profit for the public purse and then reinvested in local infrastructure.
If too many people on benefits living in the area are the problem, then deal with that issue but don't throw the baby out with the bath water. People with hard earned cash to spend, should be accommodated.
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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We are desperately short of homes for all sorts of people thanks to a lack of building policies from successive governments (not helped by Thatcher making it illegal for councils to invest money made from the great council sell off to build more housing), however HMOs are not the answer. There is a huge difference between a purpose made block of studio flats designed for single people and 7 en-suite studios hacked out of an existing terrace.
I live next to a 4 bed terrace which for a while was converted into 8 studio en suites so I speak from experience. As profit is the name of the game the conversions are done as cheaply as possible with no consideration for the tenants or safety. The people living in these HMOs are rarely well earning singles (why on earth would anyone earning good money want to live in these conditions) they are often hard pressed couples and families living in a single room. The houses are not built with sound proofing between these rooms or between the adjacent terrace properties so you can imagine the problems experienced. Having families living in rooms means that there is no space for the kids and no where for them to go (my mum lived like this as a child; they were called slums and I'd hoped we had moved away from this). The plumbing outlet is not made to have 7-8 showers and 7-8 toilets venting into it so in my case there were often pools of untreated sewage outside of my kitchen. Rubbish from so many people living in one house meant that even three large bins could not contain the rubbish which was left in piles in the front yard. 7-8 kitchenettes in one small house, think of the dangers. You suggest unfettered conversions but you can't do this without thinking first of all the support services that the new tenants would rely on such as GPs, school places etc.
"Allow the market to prevail, if people want to live right close to the action and are paying from their hard earned money, then let them." What about the poor? What about those we depend on in the service industries on low wages? What about those on DHSS? Shall we ship them all out to Grimsby? Unfettered profiteering would mean even higher prices and don't hold your breath about these modern day Rachmans paying tax, they make enough money to duck and dive out of that one.
We used to have rent controls, as many other countries in the EU still have, and guess whose rents and houses are cheaper. The market is not the answer, experience from the last thirty years has shown this. We need the government to invest in a house building programme supported by proper planning.
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Well, that's means more people competing for less accommodation then, expect prices to go up further. I agree about building more but it's not happening to anywhere the amount we need if you listen to the laim promises coming from the three political parties.
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Don't get me wrong let's regulate these places so they are safe but generally banning renting out rooms and failing to build more properties is no wise solution and that's what Harringay council together with a government is doing.
If Labour will do what they have promised, they too will not solve this problem also. 100'000 new homes over a number of years won't even touch the sides.
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I would also like to agree with Maggie. I am single and currently trying to find somewhere to live in any part of Haringey before being evicted from my current place due to the landlord selling up. It is really really difficult to find somewhere affordable and of reasonable quality and this is not exactly central London. I feel really angry and depressed about the housing situation for single people in London and I would leave London if I could but sadly my personal circumstances mean that I have to stay here.
I can only imagine that FPR hasn't been through this nightmare himself.
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