Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
HGVs - Enforcement of the weight limit on Wightman and ladder roads
I have again asked for some enforcement action by the council against HGVs using Wightman Road and the ladder roads.
I am pleased to say that I have just had an email from the Parking Infrastructure Manager to say that they will be carrying out some enforcement this week between 7am and 8.30am.
Lets hope it starts to send a message to the companies that they lorries belong to.
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Permalink Reply by Nick G-T on
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Karen, I sent an email to Cllr David Schmitz concerning the number of vehicles using Falkland Road that are flouting the weight restriction limit. He said he would forward the email onto you and request that Falkland is added to the list of roads that require surveillance. Is it possible to arrange some surveillance during the weekday mornings between 6.30-8am?
In addition to every oversized vehicle you can think of, I have observed very large earth moving trucks using Falkland which are headed towards the Hornsey depot construction site (I've also seen them leave the site and travel down Hampden Road toward Green Lanes). Not only should they not be using these roads, they travel above the speed limit and don't slow over the speed humps which cause my house to shake and produce such a commotion as their wheels lock up after flying over the humps. Is it possible to arrange a call to Volkerfitzpatrick, to press upon their drivers/contractors to cease using the ladder roads as a short cut?
And finally, does anyone know how the 7.5t weight restriction is determined? Why 7.5t? My previous residential road was 5t. Can we look into reducing the weight limit? Might this deter more lorries from the ladder roads?
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Good idea on reducing the weight limit. To be honest, I'd rather we had width restrictions rather than weight limits. Much more effective at slowing traffic down and means lorries simply can't travel up/down the ladder roads.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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You would have to work out some way to allow fire appliances and Veolia trucks to get through.
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There are many examples in London, this one could be easily adapted to one way use. I'd be more than willing to loose a car space or two to see these installed on the Ladder.
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Permalink Reply by linka on
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I see the effectiveness of this layout for trucks, but they had a version of one of those for only a few weeks on Drayton Park, and it was tremendously risky to cycle through with traffic approaching behind/trying to overtake.
I also came upon a car propped upon one of the island piers - it had just driven into it to avoid crushing a cyclist to the left. They've changed the layout now.
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This one is also in Drayton Park, just up from the Emirates stadium. It has a cycle lane on either side of the road. Were the other ones removed due to the risk to cyclists or for some other reason?
I can't speak for all Ladder roads but I seldom see that many cyclists. And I dare say there wouldn't be too many drivers game enough to overtake a cyclist on our narrow roads, but I'm sure I could be wrong. I think this could be an effective deterrent and an affordable option for the council.
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As a cyclist, motorcyclist and car owner who moved from Highbury to the Ladder in October I can tell you that the width restriction you linked to is very effective and safe for all modes of transport.
The new one on Drayton Park with the turned over car was a farce until they fixed it. It was very badly marked and confused the hell out of everyone. They've just resurfaced and re-marked the road and it's much better now.
I'd be all for width restrictions though full time CCTV cameras may be a cheaper alternative.
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A car space or two ?? Ten maybe.
But basically, if a Veolia truck or a Fire appliance can get through, an HGV can. It would be just one more restriction they would be happy to ignore.
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Yes John, perhaps more than one or two, but there has to be a compromise if this option were to be made viable. Or perhaps the council could install a couple on Wightman like John McMullan has been banging on about for years - though that will cause access issues for the likes of Jewsons.
I don't agree this will be one more restriction an HGV would be happy to ignore. The majority of all ladder roads currently have an "accept for access" clause which HGV's can abuse, whereas having a physical barrier, albeit one they can still pass through illegally would stand a better chance of resolving this issue. And if Islington council use them, and continue to install them, that suggests they have evidence of their effectiveness.
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Maybe I'm cynical but the whole thrust of this thread is that drivers ignore the existing regulations. Why do you think they would obey a few painted white lines ?
As to the effectiveness of Islington's installations, we have speed bumps and we have evidence that they are ineffective. Why can't we catch the offenders, fine them and put points on their licenses ?
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The only point I agree with you on is your cynicism! Your comparisons are incorrect; the use of speed bumps is not to prevent HGV's from using the Ladder roads but to slow down traffic - HGV's shouldn't be using these roads unless they have a legitimate reason, such as making a delivery or access needs re Jewsons.
In the case of Islington's measures, if an HGV enters a road that has the barrier I linked to, and they are caught, they've got no excuse and no grounds to appeal. They've driven through the white lines and broken the law (some even have a camera pointed at the barrier). This would make drivers cautious as the chances are higher that they'll be caught. Whereas here on the Ladder, unless every HGV is stopped and questioned (which is not going to happen with the lack of resources available), drivers feel they can get away with it and ignore the weight restrictions. And if they are stopped, they no doubt cry that they have access rights. You need to consider the thought process of these individuals; if I don't get caught, I'll keep doing it.
Haringey install signage whilst Islington build barriers. I know what I believe is more effective.
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Permalink Reply by Karen Alexander on
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This is excellent - gets over the access issue for dustcarts and fire engines (I presume they go through the middle?).
I'm forwarding this to highways at Haringey for them to have a look at.
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