Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Help! Early Hours Noise Disturbances from local Public House
Does anybody have any advice on what courses of action are open to me in dealing with regular noise disturbances from the public house across the road from me in the early hours of the morning (typically between 12pm and 3am)?
The Public House in question has a licence to sell alcohol until 1am all days of the week except Friday and Saturdays when they have a licence until 2am. Patrons have an hours drinking up time and so this results in people not leaving the premises until 2am/3am.
The noise can take the form of loud music, shouting, singing, smoking and drinking alcohol directly outside the premises on the street. I was awoken several times yesterday evening and at around 2am I went over the public house to speak to the landlord about the noise on the street. He informed me that this was not his problem and that he would be doing nothing to resolve the situation.
I'm aware that that the council has an out of hours Enforcement Team to deal with issues of noise. Complaints have been raised historically (this has been an issue for the last couple of years since a change in ownership at the public house) with the enforcement response team, but this never seems to relate to a change in behaviour on behalf of the public house.
Anybody have any thoughts on next steps? Who should I contact? Licensing Team to get a review of their licence? Local police? Local Councillors?
Thanks
Mark
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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It is the case. If you read the stuff at the start of this thread the licence was changed a little while ago.
I suppose we could bow to the profits of businesses but I'd rather have a decent night sleep myself.
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Permalink Reply by Lauren on
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You clearly haven't read the background on this or you wouldn't be arguing the toss for the sake of it.
There wasn't an issue when the pub closed at 11. There is now that it closes at 2. People now have the ability to get pissed for longer and are making more noise and disturbing neighbours in the middle of the night. The pub are doing all they can to stop that behaviour, but the people leaving the pub who don't give a toss about the neighbours are still making the noise. It doesn't matter if the pub has been there longer, or if they have a license to serve alcohol til 2am or whenever. It is purely and simply about the disturbance being caused. That doesn't make the person who made the complaint fuddy duddy, middle aged or middle class or whatever derogatory label you want to stick on them. It could be a group of nuns making the noise and it would still be noise. It could also be a group of tramps sitting on his doorstep getting hammered and yelling, and if that were the case you would probably support his complaint.
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Permalink Reply by Philip on
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Rather surprised at the number of people who scorn the 'right to sleep' and suggest you shouldn't live near a busy centre if you want sleep. Perhaps you shouldn't live in a rural area if you want a bus service; should live near a hospital if sick; live near a good school if you want your kids to go to one. These are complete non-sequiturs. I don't think profit or excessive boozing should come before people's right to enjoy their own home. If someone moves to a rural village and complains about cock crow or church bells then fair enough; but the rights of drunks to shatter the peace of the night, or the rights of publicans to get them rat-arsed till the early hours are not rights worthy of defence.
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Permalink Reply by Kate on
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PMSL at the concept of 'the peace of the night' on Crouch Hill.
The Harringay Arms is situated about 30 seconds walk from the Devonshire House pub, and about a minute from the Kings Head, both open until the early hours at the weekend. So if the OP really objects to pub noise, he chose his flat exceedingly unwisely.
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I do wonder though, how the H A knew that this topic was about them, given that the original poster didn't mention the pub name, anything that would identify the pub, or even give his own real name and hasn't posted since. How many hundred pubs are there in the borough?
Perhaps it is an elaborate ploy to publicise the HA's late opening hours? Bad publicity is still publicity after all!
;-)
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Punter walks into pub, screams at staff "I've told everyone on HarringayOnline about you!!!". Possible?
"Mark" my advice to you is to drink yourself to sleep at the weekends.
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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He didn't do that. Mark came on HOL for advice and help and didn't even disclose the identity of the Pub. Ben then revealed those personal details, his dramatic version of events and claimed no responsibility for the noise nuisance his establishment is causing. Profit over peace.
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Permalink Reply by Albert Ross on
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I suspect the profit motive most relevant here is related to property values rather than pints. 'Mark' should also know that any disputes one has with one's neighbours, be they businesses or private individuals, has to be disclosed when you come to sell your property.
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Ok, what if your nice neighbours who have lived next door to you for years suddenly started having parties til the early hours every night/week and keeping you awake? What if you complained and they told you it wasn't their problem, it was yours for living next door and you were spoiling their fun and you should get some double glazing or move to the countryside? That's the problem Mark is having, it's just that his neighbour is a pub, not a household. His issue isn't with the pub but their late night activities causing a disturbance. There are definitely two sides to this story and I can see how people are trying to justify both but the fact is it wasn't a problem before the pub started staying open late. I personally sympathise with Mark, even though I can also see the pub's point if view I think that Mark has got a good reason to complain. I don't think any reasonable person could honestly say they would feel differently if it was happening to them.
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Well said Tris
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"Concerns are growing amongst the majority of London’s residents that they could embark upon a Friday night at some point soon and find there is nowhere to go and enjoy themselves other than a craft brewery bar or artisan coffee shop.
Their concerns have also increased with the realisation that these venues are likely to stay open no later than 7pm due to noise complaints by a small minority of residents who fail to see the stupidity in moving near popular public areas and expect no noise pollution in return."
http://wundergroundmusic.com/london-nightclub-converted-to-luxury-a...
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Nice spoof, James. But real issues even so.
Reminded me of Spike Lee's angry protest about gentrification in New York. Which included the fact that: "... people moved in last year and called the cops on my father. He’s not — he doesn’t even play electric bass! It’s acoustic!"
What worries me is the Spurs/Koberplan for the huge new stadium area to be:"Vibrant Area 365 Days a Year". With north-east Tottenham becoming "a leisure destination for North London" and a "premier location for leisure activities".
I suggest anyone thinking of moving close to Tottenham Hale or Seven Sisters stations might first want to think about the possible implications of that.
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