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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Residents, Residents Groups and Traders in the Green Lanes / Harringay Ladder area may not be aware of the handsome consultation document detailing the new Green Lanes proposals which has just been published on behalf of the Green Lanes Strategy Group.

This is available to download at:

Paper copies have been produced in limited quantity and are available at Stroud Green Library, Tao Sports and Cherie Hair Salon.

Views and comments are invited and welcomed and the closing date for these is 21 June 2013. 'If no major objections are received', works are planned to start in July/August 2013 and will last 9-12 months.

Comments should be emailed to: frontline.consultation@haringey.gov.uk
or posted to: Frontline Consultation, London Borough of Haringey, FREEPOST NAT 20390, PO Box 264, London N22 8BR

This is the one opportunity to have a close look at all the detail and to make constructive comments.

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When we surveyed traffic flows on the ladder a few years ago I worked out that only a third of the traffic was genuinely heading north/south. Two thirds on the traffic on Wightman Rd was looking to cross, or had just crossed, the railway.

You have no idea how clever I am and how sophisticated my traffic survey system was. "Standing on the ladder counting cars"... yes indeed. Good grief.

I can do it for free, if I have 50 people for two hours. And they have to be able to scribble fast.

I think a holistic traffic study was promised in the LibDem election manifesto.

Maybe it still is ?

John's suggestion is way too simplistic. Any study would have to take place 18 hrs a day for at least one month (and not in the holiday period )

Vehicle Counting Solution (gets really exciting after 44secs) - cameras, software, technicians. Surely someone else is doing this in the UK. Or is there a privacy issue!

Not by us. A couple of comments have been self-deleted.

A useful summary of the Hewit Road debate - but the original posting was about the extensive proposals along Green Lanes of which that forms a (clearly significant) part: please don't describe / dismiss ("strip out") everything non-Hewit related as "extraneous stuff"! It's relevant.

This is of course a great proposal about which I'm really positive in every way save for one little but actually huge add-on....

The reversing of Hewit Road, as many of you have already pointed out, is a really half-baked idea that will almost definitely cause huge problems for Pemberton and Beresford.

With the exception of the odd two in a row up or two in a row down, the ladder is basically an up, down, up, down, one way arrangement. Reversing Hewit would leave us with FOUR roads in a row going up (Warham, Seymour, Hewit, Allison) so you don't need to be an experienced planner or have a crystal ball to imagine what will happen to the roads either side of these four, Pemberton and Beresford, that go down. Speaking from my own experience as a Pemberton resident, it already gets clogged fairly regularly and this will of course get far, far worse if this happens, on a road with a school no less.

How could the residents of Hewit be asked about this in isolation without it being part of a larger traffic consultation across the ladder? It's an ill-thought out add-on that should not be part of the project.

I urge everyone in Pemberton and Beresford to object to this and indeed anyone else too, particularly if you have kids at South Harringay School.

I realise that there's a problem with traffic in Hewit and for this scheme they don't want people backed up turning right out of Hewit when it's so close to the junction at St. Ann's. I'm sorry to those in Hewit who would like this for their road, but the overall picture is much bigger than one road's problem and I think this needs a complete rethink of the flow of the whole ladder, not just a hatchet job on the problem relating to one road only as if it could live in isolation. As a half-way solution for example, they could have simply suggested a no right turn at the bottom of Hewit, or indeed looked at right turns onto Green Lanes across the whole ladder. This is a different project!

We had a no-right-turn at the bottom of Umfreville for a while, when it was flowing the other way (we've experienced both, and I do think the down is worse particularly at this end of the Ladder). But this being GL, everyone just turned left and then did dangerous U-turns to get back in the other direction, even when a bollard was installed in the middle of the road to stop this.

Another solution might be to have more down roads at the top end of the Ladder, so that there is a choice of access to Green Lanes and less traffic concentrated in a few streets. I'm not sure it is"one up/one down" anyway at the moment - there seem to be far more going up than down.

This scheme seems encouraging but the biggest impact from diverted traffic (Hewit road and traffic calming measures) will be Wightman Road. What is being done to consult Wightman Road residents and mitigate traffic congestion on this already congested but residential road? We must not forget Green Lanes is the main road and should remain so.

Having spoken to a friend this morning who is resident on Hewit, I feel I must add that no-one who opposes the reversing of Hewit Road should blame anyone who lives on the road for anything whatsoever over this issue, they're the ones who have to live with probably the worst traffic on the ladder! It was the scheme's idea, not the residents'.

It's incumbent upon all of us, especially if we're objecting to the reversal, to push for a full review of the ladder traffic and not just ignore the issue because our road is currently OK.

Sorry to resurrect this thread..

I've been pondering how the reversal of traffic flow is going to be assessed. It is a trial, right - so I presume there is a plan somewhere as to how to measure the impact of the trial on Hewit and other all other roads in the area? Which involves a before and after comparison? Does anyone know how that will be done and how the money that would require compares to the cost of the holistic traffic survey that is assumed to be too expensive?

If there isn't a robust way of assessing impact I don't really see how it can be a uesful trial - it will just become one set of anecdotes being set against another.



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