Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Connected - what London Overground will look like
Thanks to @Nigello for the link to this map of what the London Overground will look like when it's completed:
Tags for Forum Posts: barking to gospel oak line, overground, public transport, tube map
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Permalink Reply by Mr Growbag on
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What a great way of presenting the map - captures the feel of the TFL roundel and a sense of the "Orbital Railway" or outer circle line which was the intention of the project. Is this the official one from TFL, or a mock-up? If the latter, I think your contributor ought to send it on to TFL's suggestions box asap!
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Permalink Reply by StephenBln on
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I think the railway can't currently run as an 'outer circle' due to missing links at Willesden (differing Levels) and at Clapham Junction (underpass needs to be constructed).
So the map is really an illusion. - The illusion of an integrated service, done on the cheap (for the 4th, 5th largest economy in the world) and is really 'too little too late', but all the same, better than nowt!
e.g. The Richmond - Stratford line is shown as three separate sections (the service on the northern end of the ring is only provided by that line). From the south-east all trains will terminate Highbury & Islington and not trains from Stratford as shown here. The Clapham Junction - Willesdem line is also a separate service..
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Well I hope I live that long.. This was all first mooted in the late 60s as 'Ring Rail' (I've still got the book/publicity) so getting it finished by 2020 say, is not bad I suppose..
60 years.. the same amount of time that elapsed between the opening of the Charing Cross branch of what is now the Northern line and the next cross London line, the Victoria in 1969..
A dreadful record in public transport provision.. !
IMO: London needs at least a doubling of underground railway provision in the central area - but I won't hold my breath.. If anyone is interested in my ideas for new lines, I'll be willing to send them per mail
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Permalink Reply by Guy Bentham on
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But trains already run from Gospel Oak through Willesden Junction direct to Clapham Junction. I caught one last week. So that part of the outer circle is already there.
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There's already an underpass. The services from Peckham Rye and West Brompton will call at the same platform (2) at Clapham Junction, although there won't be through services, since they'll both be arriving from the east.
There'll be all day through services from Clapham Junction to Stratford, starting when the next set of upgrade work is complete next year. There's no missing link at Willesden.
Finally, the reason there'll be no circular through service is a deliberate operational decision, not lack of money. The Stratford and Shoreditch services are being given physically separate tracks between Dalston and Highbury at vast expense, so that the timetables don't interfere.
(On a slightly different topic, the first new train for our Gospel Oak to Barking Line is scheduled to be delivered to London tomorrow, so you might see it in service soon)
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Thanks Mr Thant, I have to say that I'm not 100% up to date, but seeing as I live 1000km away from London, think that's OK. So what you're saying is - the Clapham -Stratford service could have been up and running years ago - but was constrained by the tendering system? (Two separate tenders)
My point on lack of money was and still is, that not much/no effort has been made to integrate the railway into the existing system.
The whole point of a circle line/ring rail/orbital service is that it can be used to connect lines, making radial journeys in and out of the centre unnessessary. It will be used by a proportionally high number of short riders - 'hopping around the centre' - so I ask again- where are the links onto the Central Line..for example?
I'm not criticising the railway per se.. but can't bear things that are only done half-heartedly.. and my life is slowly running out and don't want to wait another 40-50 years..
BTW, Our (dog's head) ring has interchange stations onto every line it crosses..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Karte_berlin_ringbahn.png
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Through Clapham-Stratford trains have always been possible, and both parts of the line are part of the same tender, so it's been purely a timetabling decision not to have run them. They've been run on and off, and currently run every day during peak-hours. It's a very easy change at Willesden Junction when they aren't running (wait on the same platform).
If you want the Central Line, change at Whitechapel and there's a cross-platform interchange to the Central Line at Mile End.
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Thanks for this Hugh.. and it's been a long time coming (The Orbital railway, I mean). But without wanting to whinge, there are so many interchanges still missing.
Some that would certainly benefit Harringay residents, but unfortunately there isn't much money around (or never seems to be for public transport improvements) or the political will to do anything about them. But if the Mayor and other London politicians are really serious about getting people out of their cars, then a lot, lot more investment into public transport needs to be made.
Especially important and missing from the scheme in North and East London are interchange stations to and from the Central Line.
1. at Shoreditch High Street, where the Central Line passes directly under the Overground station, providing links from Hackney and Dalston to the City and West End. A central Line station was not constructed here because it was considered too expensive and the Mayor probably hopes that he can con the developer of the site above to contribute something towards it. This is IMO the responsibility of local government and not developers.
2. between Leyton Midland Road and Leytonstone High Road stations where the Central line passes under the Barking - Gospel Oak Line. Realigining platforms at Leytonstone Station (Central line) would also provide a connection here to Leytonstone High Road station. providing for example, Harringay residents an easy connection to Woodford, Loughton And Epping. How easy it is currently to get by public transport from Harringay to outer NE London districts?
3. at Walthamstow Queens Road a better intechange could be provided to the LIvepool Street - Chingford line trains via Walthamstow Central.
and lastly of course, but in London at least, unfortunately forever pie in the sky.. the provision of a new underground station at Harringay.
The Piccadilly Line passes directly underneath Harringay Green Lanes station, if a new Piccadilly Line station 'Harringay' were to be constructed between there and Rosebery Gardens with exits at both ends of the station. a direct underground link for Harringay would be provided, also with an interchange to the Gospel Oak line at it's southern end. Giving excellent links from Southgate and Wood Green to Leytonstone through to Barking.
Not so costly and probably more important is to get TfL to increase the service, ideally to 12 trains per hour (every five minutes) on the Gospel Oak - Barking line, at least in peak hours. 6tph (every ten minutes) in off peaks is, IMO not really too much to ask for on an inner London railway line and still well under what is offered by the underground.
So a few thoughts from me.. does anyone else have any thoughts on this subject? I'd like to hear them.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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Oddly enough I was siting musing the possibility of a Harringay tube station yesterday as I sat on the Piccadilly line between Manor House and Turnpike lane. The distance between the two stops does make this possible I would think and it would certainly alleviate the pressure on the buses between the two stops. I supose the issue is where would it exit? There is that patch of ground near the entrance to Railway Fields but I think I would prefer the demolition of that awful housing block on the corner of Green Lanes and St Ann's Road. That would give it a better service to people living on the N15 side of the tracks too.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Did you know that one was almost built there Michael?
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