Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Harringay Traffic Stakeholder Group membership
The Wightman Road Residents' Groups was excluded. A curious decision given the current controversies.
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Permalink Reply by JJ on
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I look down my street and all I see is cars. They pollute the urban space, not just with their emissions but also with their physical presence. Most people who live on the ladder do not need a car, so why do the rest of us have to put up with their polluting effects. Given the recent terrifying climate data I should think the priority is how to get rid of cars from our cities and urban environments. They are literally poison. My priority is not re-routing traffic to make if fairer for car users it is to get rid of cars from our city. the Wightman Road closure, in a small way, has shown how great it can be.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Mayor Khan shares your views.
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Impossible to disagree. But personally I would go much further and ban all traffic, other than clean buses and taxis and people who for whatever reason need a car. The damage to our urban environment that cars cause is not properlytaken into aaccount in local decision making. I'm afraid that given the impending global environmental disaster due in no small part to the internal combustion engine, I don't understand why our local priority is not to get rid of cars, as far as we can.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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You would ban vans delivering goods to our shops, pizza delivery motor cycles, Post Office vans and, of course, police cars and ambulances ?
Given the flagrant misuse of disabled-driver permits, how are you going to identify " people who for whatever reason need a car "
Before we give you these autocratic powers are you sure you have thought this through ?
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Errr, yes I have thought it through. Cars have to go, that is clear. If we continue with them as we have then we doom ourselves. All the data is pointing towards a climate that is now 1.5 degrees warmer than pre industrial levels. A commitment to limiting to 2 degrees already looks impossible to achieve, we're likely already there. If warming goes above 2 degrees then we're getting into a global environment that becomes increasingly incompatible with civilisation. It's that serious and that frightening. So a priority has to be to limit global emissions immediately. at a local level severely limit car use. And we're beyond nudging people into this we need to be much bolder and ban cars from cities. Debating traffic flow management systems brings to mind the old cliché of rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic. The priority for traffic management in Harringay should be to largely get rid.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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Out of interest JJ...how many times a year do you get on an aeroplane?
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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Oh so we're going to get all judgmental on a guy talking about saving the planet from catastrophic climate change? Nice.
There are some things we HAVE to use fuel for and emit CO2 but cars is definitely not one of them.
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I use my car extremely sparingly and in my view I can make grown up decisions about when to use my car and when not. Tomorrow I want to go and watch my niece play horseball in a Sussex field. No matter what you say that is not a journey I am able to do by any other means than getting in my car.
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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That's completely true Antoinette, but what if spending priorities changed? I think part of the problem is that the car lobby is rich and hugely influential with regard to transport policy. Governments make make all the right noises about getting people out of their cars and onto public transport but until they make the hard decision to spend the money they are current spending on extending and improving the road network on subsidised public transport (like most major European countries do) real alternatives to driving once you're out of a big city don't cut the mustard.
If I lived in the country I would probably have to find someone to drive me around (I can't drive) or stay at home. -
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You are joking....
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No. I've many times travelled to rural Devon, Dartmoor, dorset, cornwall, Northumberland with no car. Various combinations of trains, buses, taxis and walking are perfectly possible. Just look up the timetables. Not sure why it's so difficult. Not as convenient, but that's a different question.
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