Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
GAZA, Haringey protest- 2nd August.
Keith Flett, secretary of the Haringey TUC trade union said: “This is about human rights, it is about justice, it is about stopping the killing of civilians, including children.
“There is a significant anger in the borough about what is happening in Gaza and we want to see that turned into something practical- collecting for and sending medical aid.”
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Permalink Reply by maggie on
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Thanks Philip.
GAZA haringey protest stating at 1:30 Duckets Common
(Saturday 2nd August
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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I'm horrified at all the photographs of injured/dead children I'm seeing on my twitter timeline. I now have a couple of questions though.
1. Why do Jewish people in the middle east only live in Israel? I thought they used to live all over.
2. Why is the birthrate in Gaza so high? The age demographics say it's basically only people who can breed and their children.
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Hi John, I can answer your first question. 900,000 Mizrahi Jews were expelled or fled Arab lands after 1948. That's more than the number of Palestinian refugees created during the 1948 war. When people describe Israel as an Eastern European enclave in the Middle East, they often forget (ignore) this fact.
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Don't forget the 100,000 Ethiopian Jews resettled in Israel in the 1980's. I am sure the Ethiopian population in Israel has increased since then.
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John I am not sure why you are asking those particular questions as opposed to others at this time. Either of them is contentious and complex.
1/Why do Jewish people in the middle east only live in Israel? I thought they used to live all over.
Yes and no. This cannot be answered without looking at individual middle east countries, the reason for jewish migration was various, influenced by local and world politics.
"The history of the exodus is politicized, given its proposed relevance to a final settlement in the Israeli–Palestinian peace process. When presenting the history, those who view the Jewish exodus as equivalent to the 1948 Palestinian exodus, such as the Israeli government and NGOs such as JJAC and JIMENA, emphasize push factors such as cases of anti-Jewish violence and forced expulsions, and refer to those affected as "refugees". Those who argue that the exodus does not equate to the Palestinian exodus emphasize pull factors such as the actions of local Zionist agents aiming to fulfil the One Million Plan, highlight good relations between the Jewish communities and their country's governments, emphasize the impact of other push factors such as the decolonization in the Maghreb and the Lavon Affair and Suez War in Egypt, and argue that many or all of those who left were not refugees." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_cou...
2. Why is the birthrate in Gaza so high? The age demographics say it's basically only people who can breed and their children.
Is the birthrate in Gaza so high? Maybe the question should be where are the older people in Gaza's demographics. According to the World Bank average births per woman for Gaza and the West Bank in 2012 was 4.1. Does it really matter at this moment, the real point is that there are many, many children being hurt.
Any questions about the history of the situation is now contentious however what is not contentious is that people in Gaza are suffering and in desperate need of medical help, well any sort of help as families, their houses, schools, hospitals and only power station are flattened.
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The quote is lifted directly from the link given above. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_exodus_from_Arab_and_Muslim_cou.... as I said, the history is contentious.
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Doesn't really matter where you found it, it's offensive to refer to refugees as "refugees" and if anyone did such a thing in reference to Palestinians I'm sure you find it offensive. In Israel you will find many people who left behind everything, some of them arrived in Israel on foot with nothing but the clothes on their backs and your dubious Wikipedia snippet questions their right to be called refugees! Incredibly offensive.
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Hannah, you are reading something into this that is not there.
The Wiki piece says that "those who view the Jewish exodus as equivalent to the 1948 Palestinian exodus......refer to those affected as "refugees" ". It is a grammatical device to show that they are referring to that term, nothing more.
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So do you agree that they're refugees or would you prefer to leave it ambiguous as to what your view is?
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