Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Furniture store being advertised for Queen's Head despite planning conditions
I've just picked up a tweet from John McMullan with the following text and picture:
Ha ha! Queen's Head Harringay kept as a pub... and I laughed and laughed and laughed.
My understanding is that planning permission was granted with provisos that included:
the applicant retain the use of the ground floor of the building as a public house. A feasibility study would have to be conducted using a team approved by the council if the applicant wanted to, in the future, change the use of the ground floor
At the very least, it appears that the developers are acting in bad faith.
I've been on the phone to planning and was told that the decision has yet to be published with these provisos.
Perhaps our councillors might intercede on this if possible.
Tags supplement: More conversations on this topic in the Friends of the Queen's Head Group
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Permalink Reply by William Booth on
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So if they convert the bottom floor to a shop but leave the upper floors fallow, they will be allowed to proceed? That's a loophole as big as the Mersey Tunnel!
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Permalink Reply by Ruth on
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Thanks David, being a Councillor you can understand this esoteric language- I got lost very early on but seems to me that it's all the wrong way round, you have to wait till something has been destroyed before it can be stopped... such an odd logic.
What you say also reinforces my earlier point about the power at the local authority level on how to interpret planning laws- as you say here the LA does not have to issue a b of c notice if they dont think it's worth bothering with... I think you did what you could here.
What a great shame the interior of the pub now completely vandalised it appears and all gone. If looters had done that during the riots there would have been a real outcry but local businesses can vandalise and it's all ok. They dont get called mindless criminals.
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Permalink Reply by matt on
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Thank you David for getting an answer. So the bottom line is the Planning committee and Planning officers have failed us entirely (ie. system failure). This landlord (and many others) clearly know the planning system in this borough is weak and ineffective and easily exploited.
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In fairness from what David wrote above it looks like the system is precisely designed for both central and local governments to be able to say "we've done all we can" while not doing (being able to do?) anything.
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Yes, seems to be the case. In effect, nothing could have been done to stop this. The system works in favour of businesses and capital but I guess that is no surprise- that's the system we live in but I thought that over the decades some gains had been made about what gets built/knocked down around us. Seems not so.
It's such an utter loss. What legacy are we leaving the next generation?
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iPhones! X-Factor! Primark! No skills or prospects!
On building and development more generally, I must say I heartily recommend Owen Hatherley's 'A Guide to the New Ruins of Great Britain'. Almost unremittingly bleak but puts even small cases like this in a wider context of vacuousness and wrecking.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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The signs advertising the carpet/mattress shop were pretty "in-your-face", were they not David? Quite a slap. Don't take it personally, it's just because you're a local councillor.
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Permalink Reply by Geoff on
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That's all gone now - the windows have lettering on them advertising DJs, Karaoke, sport, etc - either it's the old lettering or back to the bad old days. All the old wood panelling and the beautiful bar have been consigned to skips, it is reported.
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Permalink Reply by Protheroe O'Shea on
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Friends of the Queens Head Tavern all 88 of us why don't we organise a demo to coincide with the grand opening?
And don't just point the finger at me lets all do it! we need a minimum of 50 adults, and children are of course welcome. This could be the first of many HOL demo's.
Comrades? ..........
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In advance of something like this (which I'd certainly be up for) it might be useful for the people with the best knowledge of the case to put together a bullet point document that is easily understandable, just so the fundamental problems/points of law are clear. It might also turn the heads of potential pub owners if there were a hundred people asking for a new boozer!
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I recall plans for demonstrations outside new bookies.. never happened. Whilst up for it in some ways, I feel it's too late now. Damage has been done. Why wait for grand opening? It would be great publicity for the shop. All publicity good publicity etc.
We should go now and take pics of it all looking in a sorry old state....
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yup I have suggest demo's but no one signs up that's why I ask for a minimum of 50 otherwise it's just a waste of time. of which I have very little of. There are 88 FOQHT surely together we can arrange a demo.
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