Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Furniture store being advertised for Queen's Head despite planning conditions
I've just picked up a tweet from John McMullan with the following text and picture:
Ha ha! Queen's Head Harringay kept as a pub... and I laughed and laughed and laughed.
My understanding is that planning permission was granted with provisos that included:
the applicant retain the use of the ground floor of the building as a public house. A feasibility study would have to be conducted using a team approved by the council if the applicant wanted to, in the future, change the use of the ground floor
At the very least, it appears that the developers are acting in bad faith.
I've been on the phone to planning and was told that the decision has yet to be published with these provisos.
Perhaps our councillors might intercede on this if possible.
Tags supplement: More conversations on this topic in the Friends of the Queen's Head Group
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Permalink Reply by Paulie on
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Mike
I don't understand what you are getting at here. I don't see people putting the Salisbury or anything else as a fall-back argument. Nor do I see why the Queen's Head (which in terms of ground-floor space is roughly on a par with the Salisbury) could not be re-opened as a decent, clean pub or cafe / bar (possibly serving food - I concede with some reluctance - but see later) and thus provide not only a much-needed alternative to the perennially-complacent, and frankly wildly over-filled, Salisbury, but also a usable and welcoming PUB for those who live north of say Allison Road.
What decent pubs are there between St Ann's Road and.... Palmer's Green? Southgate? Not too many I believe. To say there needs to be parking for people to come to the Queen's Head - I don't understand your logic at all. Who drives to pubs in London anyway? How many of the 200+ people cramming the Salisbury every weekend evening drove there? There are I would guess thousands of drinkers / pub goers on the Ladder and surrounding roads with money to spend who would welcome somewhere else to spend it.
And as for your contention that a furniture store is as likely to drum up trade for nearby businesses as a pub - I cannot agree. If the pub did not serve food then of course it would attract trade to the nearby takeaways and restaurants such as Flame, Muna etc. Not to mention the local shops for papers, cigarettes and so on.
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Permalink Reply by Charlotte on
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This just reaffirms my views of Haringey's planning office. They either don't care, are not very bright, totally overworked or simply choose the easy option which is to turn a blind eye to dodgy landlords. I suspect the latter. I now live almost opposite the most horrid roof extension which is far too large. I spoke to planning when it was being built. To my knowledge they did nothing despite asking for photos etc. I partly sold my old home in Alexandra Road as the landlord of the house next door built a huge ugly extension. Again far too large. After all the neighbours complained planning made a bit of noise and talked about legal action. Guess what - 2 years later the extension is still there and to top it all the landlord has now got planning permission to convert the house to flats. So by the actions, or rather lack of action, by our planning department I believe that Haringey is actually sending out signals that they are a roll-over and that it supports rogue landlords and law breakers rather than the people following the route of planning apps etc.
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... but at least it looks like it is a shop which will spend a bit of money and brighten the corner. It'll make a change from the usual greenlanes cheap and cheerful shops
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Cllr. David Schmitz called me this morning to let me know that there is a strong legal case to defend the condition on reatining the use of the ground floor as a pub as per the planning decision.
Watch this space for more.
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Permalink Reply by E. F. Salzman on
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I'm confident that pub or no pub there exists the imagination and ideas to use this space in some way commensurate with its history as a local community asset that might also have served economically. I'm quite certainly there exists around the talent to think up and carry out such ideas, given the will. I'm quite certain too that what happened here is BS, to be blunt.
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Permalink Reply by William Booth on
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I sort of agree with both this and Billy's last point, and what the niche might be perhaps incorporates something that's been talked about on here before - somewhere that by day is a useful space for working (a local/homegrown Starbucks alternative) but in the evenings is a pub?
Alternatively, a way in which it wouldn't compete directly with Salisbury and others is by being a music venue... (flame suit on)
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If a business selling mattresses has the cash (since there are plenty of these around already) apparently to gut and renovate, to set up a store with retail stock, to give employment to locals (when I tend to doubt), etc then I guess there's the money around, including the customers who presumably they'd be catering to whose first priority now will be purchasing a mattress with apparently nowhere else nearby to do thsi.......Hmmmm.
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Permalink Reply by Liz on
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Given the speed of the work that is going on there, this morning I'm guessing they are using that old Haringey landlord trick of gutting and changing a place in record time and getting it open. In their defence they are painting it nicely and let's hope the signage is in keeping with its venerable status (unlike when it was a 'sport zone pub').
However, I agree with EF that *how* it has happened has left everyone who was hoping for a good outcome here, with a bit of a sour taste in their mouth (maybe its that BS they've forced down us). I doubt the future clientele of the furniture shop will care though and so the developers win again.
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"We just don't go out to the boozer as much as we did."
People round here obviously do. More in fact. Not convinced? Just visit the Salisbury on a Tuesday or a Sunday. Used to be quiet - now often standing room only.
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I don't know Billy, I'll admit that. I'm just saying that the Salisbury seemed to be doing okay two years ago but now has just too many punters! (Not sure they'd agree though). But it does need shaking up and it wouldn't hurt for it to have some proper competition. I don't like the idea of "superpubs" and I'm not convinced the community does either.
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:)
Nor does it need a single monolithic pub like the Salisbury creaking and groaning under an unbearable weight of drinkers, jazz musicians, pizza eaters, private 1920s-themed parties etc etc..
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