Finsbury Park Music Events - Summer 2017 - Update

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Permalink Reply by Konrad B on January 22, 2017 at 22:10

'BLAME THE FIRMEDS OF FINABURY PARK.'  The Friends of Haringey Council can't even spell.  

Permalink Reply by DTW on January 22, 2017 at 22:18

Care to explain why?

Fact is when you demonstrably prove something in court it matters. Friends of Finsbury Park established this point very clearly.

Permalink Reply by Konrad B on January 22, 2017 at 22:26

"Care to explain why?"  Care to explain why you can't spell?  Remember 'BLAME THE FIRMEDS OF FINABURY PARK.' 

Permalink Reply by DTW on January 22, 2017 at 23:02

Easy -the site doesn't work well on my phone and it messed up my key strokes.

Point still stands though, friends of Finsbury Park scored an own goal but just against themselves but for others like them.

Permalink Reply by Antoinette on January 23, 2017 at 7:56

More importantly we as residents now have to put up with the consequences of their own goal.

Permalink Reply by Paul Harding on January 22, 2017 at 16:09

Wonderful news. It's going to be a great summer 

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on January 23, 2017 at 9:42

Hi Konrad Borowski,

Sorry if I missed the point before - in the last few paragraphs of your 'lead' posting -  telling residents how they can find out and make representations on forthcoming events.

I've tried to follow this up through Haringey's website. But I can't make clear sense of it. Some of the documents are out-of-date and some of the links on different pages seem muddled.

You say that individuals must send their comments to the chair of a "park user group" or their local councillor. Obviously, residents in all three boroughs are entitled to contact their own local ward councillors. But is Haringey entitled to ignore representations unless they do so? That seems to be one implication.

Do all the councillors in all the wards affected in the three boroughs know that they have been given the task of post-forwarding ?

Can you please point me to the source of this information?

A final point, it seems to me that the material on the website has been written so as to give precedence to and talk-up the advantages of generating income from the park. Perhaps one day we can return to the old-fashioned idea that publicly funded Council websites should aim for clarity, balance and objectivity.

Permalink Reply by Konrad B on January 23, 2017 at 12:01

Alan,

The information about the Council not accepting consultation feedback from individuals is contained in an email (12.01.2017) to stakeholder groups from Sarah Jones (Haringey Council Events and Partnerships Manager).  This stated:

"We will only accept feedback from the Chair of your group. Any individual responses from members of your group or residents/businesses should be fed back to your Chair and should form part of your group’s response. Feedback from individuals will not be accepted as detailed in the Outdoor Events Policy 2014."

I then asked how a person who was not a member of a stakeholder group could express their views, would councillors do this?

Sarah replied (13.01.2017):

"As set out in the Outdoor Events Policy, adopted by the Council in January 2014, we will consult with recognised stakeholders of the park. 

"The stakeholders who are invited to comment are drawn from representative bodies and individuals in the immediate surrounding area of Finsbury Park. This includes Ward Members from the three boroughs, representative neighbourhood groups as advised by those Ward Members, local schools and recognised park stakeholders and business organisations."

Sarah also provided the link which is in my original posting.  I have tried this out and it works.

Can the Council ignore comments from individuals, they probably can as the Outdoor Events Policy states that consultation will involve all stakeholders with no mention of seeking views from individuals.

You ask "Do all the councillors in all the wards affected in the three boroughs know that they have been given the task of post-forwarding ?"  Haringey councillors should know about the consultation process, but I don't know about the other two boroughs.

Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on January 24, 2017 at 0:32

Thanks Konrad. I will read the policy. But my initial thought is that refusing to consider views from individual residents might not be the most sensible idea. I wonder what they do with emails or letters or phone messages they do get. Do you know?

Permalink Reply by Konrad B on January 24, 2017 at 21:21

No idea, but if you want to send comments direct to the Council, try sending to the Haringey Events Office :  thema.channer2@haringey.gov.uk  This is the contact email address for stakeholder groups.

Permalink Reply by Zena Brabazon on January 27, 2017 at 21:39

 I was contacted by local people and have forwarded on their comments/objections and ensured there is a written confirmation that they have been received. The explanation I was given by th officers is that as there is a stakeholder group any individual objections should go through ward councillors. I thought it was a bit pointless, but it has, on the other hand, given me direct contact with residents and enabled me to read their views and experiences directly.

If you want to add your comments email me at: zena.brabazon@haringey.gov.uk

Zena Brabazon

Cllr, Harringay Ward

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