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"Fantasyland?"

This may have been discussed at great length but I have only just seen it. It looks like someone's fantasy but I would not put anything past some of our political people. It was on a site which should be reliable but likely has been imported. Does anyone have any ideas about this?


WHY IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THE LISBON TREATY, THE TREATY THAT WILL BE FULLY IMPLEMENTED IN 2020...

“What will actually happen if we stay in the EU” is a question no remainer will ever answer but here it is warts and all.

  1. The UK along with all existing members of the EU LOSE their abstention veto in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon Treaty when the system changes to that of majority acceptance with NO abstentions or veto’s being allowed.
  2. All member nations will become states of the new federal nation of the EU by 2022 as clearly laid out in the Lisbon treaty with NO exceptions or veto’s.
  3. ALL member states MUST adopt the Euro by 2022 and any new member state must do so within 2 years of joining the EU as laid down in the Lisbon treaty.
  4. The London stock exchange will move to Frankfurt in 2020 and be integrated into the EU stock exchange resulting in a loss of 200,000 plus jobs in the UK because of the relocation. (This has already been pre-agreed and is only on a holding pattern due to the Brexit negotiations, which if Brexit does happen, the move is fully cancelled - but if not and the UK remains a member it’s full steam ahead for the move.)
  5. The EU Parliament and ECJ become supreme over all legislative bodies of the UK.
  6. The UK will adopt 100% of whatever the EU Parliament and ECJ lays down without any means of abstention or veto, negating the need for the UK to have the Lords or even the Commons as we know it today
  7. The UK loses control of its fishing rights
  8. The UK loses control of its oil and gas rights
  9. The UK loses control of its borders and enters the Schengen region by 2022 - as clearly laid down in the Lisbon treaty
  10. The UK loses control of its planning legislation
  11. The UK loses control of its armed forces including its nuclear deterrent
  12. The UK loses full control of its taxation policy
  13. The UK loses the ability to create its own laws and to implement them
  14. The UK loses its standing in the Commonwealths
  15. The UK loses control of any provinces or affiliated nations e.g.: Falklands, Cayman Islands, Gibraltar etc
  16. The UK loses control of its Aviation and Sea lane jurisdiction
  17. The UK loses its rebate in 2020 as laid down in the Lisbon treaty
  18. The UK’s contribution to the EU is set to increase by an average of 1.2bn pa and by 2.3bn pa by 2020.

I have edited some of this.  Basically the UK loses control over everything!

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Permalink Reply by Hugh on November 7, 2019 at 21:05

This unattributed piece appears to have been published back in March.

For Balance, here's The Guardian's response to this - The anti-EU lies are back to exploit Britain’s weak spot again - A campaign of fake news about the EU has gone viral, it says.

Fullfact.org has done a point-by-point fact-check.

26mhcx4vtb0rbPermalink Reply by 26mhcx4vtb0rb on November 7, 2019 at 23:26

It's shit like this - and people's willingness to believe it - that's got us in the mess we're in today.

Makes straight bananas seem trivial.

Permalink Reply by adamvietnam on November 8, 2019 at 1:09

Random bOt spam

Though it would make an amusing advent calendar to show the grand-kids when we reminiscence about the crazy days.

Permalink Reply by Costa on November 8, 2019 at 17:06

My favourite lie is no 4, given that it was the EU that blocked the proposed merger of the LSE and Deutsche Börse. 

Permalink Reply by Chris brock on November 10, 2019 at 8:52

It pretty much meets the definition of fake news. I recommend following full fact.org who do a pretty good job of fact checking rubbish like this

https://fullfact.org/europe/viral-list-about-lisbon-treaty-wrong/

Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on November 10, 2019 at 8:57

Good find

Permalink Reply by K. E. Hubbard on November 10, 2019 at 23:03

Hello,

Thank you for your replies.

I put this on largely because I had not seen it before but also in view of Jean-Claude Juncker's comment about UK Governments having always sold the EEC/EU as a Trade Deal rather than the Political Union aspects.

I think his comment was that "If you lie to the people (of the UK) for forty years you cannot be surprised if they are annoyed when they find out"  This is a paraphrase.

The references you provided were very interesting & helpful but does anyone actually know what the "Political Union" aspect actually is, or what it is supposed to achieve ?

Each side in the EU argument seems to be content to just repeat the party-line so to speak, without examining the background or it's implications. The alternate view is dismissed as lies & propaganda.

Listening to any opposing argument seems to be a mortal sin.

Presumably the Currency Union & European Parliamentary & Legal Jurisdiction would be fundamental but where from there?

Thanks

Keith

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