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Lawful killing 8 - 2.

"No justice, no peace"

Hope nothing kicks off.

Lammy's statement http://www.davidlammy.co.uk/statement_on_the_conclusion_of_mark_dug...

Could have said a bit about not kicking off please.

The jury verdict has all the signs of a whitewash! It's not sustainable.

You don't believe in the jury system ?

Tweet from “@kmflett: been at the High Court for the mark #duggan verdict. Im a supporter of the jury system but the fight for justice goes on”

A jury is not infallible and a vapid implication that all verdicts should be accepted unquestioningly or be condemned as reactionaries who don't believe in the jury system is not sustainable. Particularly if the evidence presented does not fully represent what happened. For evidence of that, one only has to look at countless examples of jury verdicts and indeed IPCC investigations being exposed long afterwards to have been a farrago of lies, misrepresentation and omission. I worked long ago with the team who made the 'Rough Justice' programmes who all passionately believed in the jury system but knew full well that the evidence presented could be tainted and thus lead to a fatal error in judgment. This inquest verdict and the evidence it was given will be picked apart, hopefully by a dedicated but underfunded legal team or investigative reporter and I suspect we have not heard the last of this.

Agree.  Birmingham 6, Guildford 4, Tottenham 3, Judith Ward and Carl Bridgwater cases are a few examples of the jury system getting it wrong.

Well, if you can think of an infallible system to replace the jury  I'd be interested to hear it.

Whose peers? 

It's a clause in the Magna Carta of 1215. Nobles were judged by nobles. Took the Glorious Revolution of 1688 to to overturn that one so not sure I'd want to return to it.

@ FPR - So you know the composition of the jury in this case ?

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