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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

Cllr  Clive Carter has now had a response to his member's enquiry, which I posted about a couple of days ago. The questions and answers are as follows:

What monies did the Council receive for permitting the circus to occupy the Common?

The Council has a number of set fees and charges, for all events that take place in its parks. These are agreed by Cabinet at the beginning of each year, as part of the Council’s overall budget setting process.

Although I cannot confirm the exact figure that the Circus has been charged for this event, as this information is commercially sensitive, I can confirm that the Circus was charged under the ‘funfairs & circus’ category of these fees.

The fees and charges are published on EventApp, the online events booking portal which can be found here – www.eventapp.org/haringey

Is any additional sum payable to reinstate and if so how much?

All event organisers pay a refundable grounds deposit fee before moving on to site. The deposit amount varies depending on the type and size of event taking place. For an event of this size the deposit is £2,060.

The grounds deposit fee is returned to the organiser once they have moved off site and only if no damage has been incurred. Regrettably on this occasion, temporary damage has been caused to the grass.

The standard event hire terms and conditions, which all event organisers have to agree to before park hire approval is given, state very clearly that if damage is caused, the hirer will compensate the Council in full for any such damage.

We are currently waiting for the total cost of grass reinstatement works, but if this totals more than the current deposit held, the hirer will pay all costs.

 

What is the estimated cost to the Council of the reinstatement?

All reinstatement works will be paid for by the hirer, so there will be no cost incurred to the Council.

 

When the reinstatement will be done?

The organiser has been allowed to carry out some remedial works to the site, until our Operatives can get onto the site with their tractor to carry out the full grass restoration works.

Unfortunately, the recent wet weather has caused a delay to restoration works. If the current weather forecast is to be believed, we hope that with a couple of dry days, this will allow the ground to dry enough for us to get the tractor onto the site to start the works early next week.

 

How much on addition is to be allocated to the Common out of the monies received from the operators of the circus beyond the sums budgeted for its maintenance for the current municipal year?

All money made from the circus will be reinvested back into the Common.

 

How much of those monies is to be allocated to other parks beyond the sums budgets for their maintenance for the current municipal year?

None.

These answers, of course, raise at least two questions:

Firstly, why is the income earned from these events to be withheld from the public because of commercial sensitivity. If the public knew this, there would be more informed debate about the use that the money could be put to, as well as whether the event should be held at all.

Secondly, whether the expected income from an event is factored into the budget at the beginning of the year, or whether the money earned truly is an extra, benefitting the Common. The same considerations apply, of course, to bigger events such as those at Finsbury Park.

These are matters which we would pursue after the election, assuming of course that we are elected.

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If the fees and charges are set, why are they commercially sensitive? It doesn't sound like there is any scope to negotiate up/down or react to prices of the borough down the road. Interesting that the deposit amount has been disclosed - are these things usually a percentage of the total? If so, someone who knows more about how these things work might be able to have a stab at the charge. I have zero knowledge of these things but as an outsider the deposit seems kind of low considering (a) likelihood of damage to the surfaces by an event like this, and (b) likely cost of putting said damage right.

It is possible that the council did not charge the set fee for the event.  They may have been able to charge more because additional services were required, or the arrangements varied from the usual; or there may have been a reason why the circus was able to negotiate the fee down. I would expect any variation of the fees to be treated as commercially sensitive (even if the public are interested) as it may impact the ability of the council to get the best return on its asset if the actual fees paid are published - imagine if it was agreed that the circus pay less than the published standard fee for some reason - we wouldn't then want to be in a position where every subsequent circus or funfair came along and said to the council "We're not paying the standard fee, we know that so-and-so only paid X".

I think if a premium had been paid they would have mentioned it in their response (even if not a pound figure). So we can assume it went at a discount.
There's anther big event there soon-German BierFest, 4th- 6th May. Hope the residents are prepared for that!

The £2,060 deposit tallies with the Medium funfairs and circus fee which is £1,936 flat fee, £580 per day and £115 per setup/down day. The fee was probably in the region of £5k.

What is interesting is the fees for a major event in Finsbury Park, looks like these generate nigh on half a million per event.

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