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Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!

On another thread an event to be held on Duckett's Common gives its address as N15 3DX.

Must be some mistake I thought.

However, on checking, it seems that perhaps nobody knows.

Freemaptools.com has it that the N8/N15 dividing line runs through the middle of at least part of the park.

free-postcode-maps.co.uk insist that the park is wholly within N8.

NPE Maps have it, (I think!), as N8.

The Council, bless their little cotton socks, are just all at sea and give its address as N4.

The postcode used by the event owners has, I imagine, come from some bum info on Google Maps.

The Royal Mail's Postcode Finder, say that N15 3DX only applies to two addresses - and I guess they ought to know if anyone does.

So do parks have postcodes? I rather think not. The Royal Parks website may give some clues as to why postcodes are sometimes used for parks. In its section on Hyde Park, it offers the following:

If you are using a mobile device, the postcode for the park is W2 2UH, but note this is for guidance only as the park covers a large area.

Despite their obvious confusion, I think the Council might be on the right lines. A park may be within the boundaries of a postal area but I don't believe it has an allocated postcode. 

That still leaves the question of which postcode area the park is in (and leaves me scratching my head and wondering why I give half a damn!).

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Duckett's Green is identified by this area according to Google maps, as between Harringay and West Green, and Wood Green and Noel Park:

I was going to add, I wonder if the name fell out of favour because the tube was named after Turnpike Lane rather than the green/common, but I think it may have been on its way out before then - maybe the bus and tram stops were also named after the road?

The road nowadays and for most of the 20th century called Turnpike Lane was Tottenham Lane on old maps - logical since it led from Hornsey to Tottenham (or vice versa). 

I do not know when the tube took the name Turnpike Lane but it follows common policy with the London Underground of naming stations after the most prominent adjacent feature/rod etc. Mind you where the "Manor House" actually was has ever been a mystery!

I can however tell you that Turnpike Lane was called that from the 30s when my Gran moved to a flat not far away. And Ducketts Common was called that then. I envisage it being without the plane trees or the at one time vicious railings and so far more 'common' like in the early 20th century. 

I have an 1869 OS map showing the road going east from Hornsey atill as "Tottenham Lane".  There's a report of the Hornsey Local Board in the Hampstead & Highgate Express on 27 January 1872 where it is referred to as Turnpike Lane. 

So it seems like the transition of name might have been around 1870. Now that's very odd since that was about the time that the turnpike stopped operating! (1872 in fact).

(An act of 1710 authorised the introduction of a turnpike at Hornsey although tolls were not levied until 1739. The Stamford Hill and Green Lanes Turnpike Trust finally erected a gate on Green Lanes at the intersection with Tottenham Lane in 1765. in 1872, the turnpike system was abolished and the gate was dismantled. You can see a photo of the gate here just before it disappeared.)

Yes that’s bang on for the present day. Very wise mapping.....,

When we first moved to the area Duckett Common was known as ‘The Fiver’ because it had the Queen’s Head on one side and the Duke Of Wellington on the other.

Except that it never existed in the 20 years (to 1964) that I lived 150 metres away? West Green it was. That seems to to have moved almost to the area then known as Downhills!

When you say relatively modern how far back are you going? I lived opposite from 1946 to 1964 and its was always Ducketts Common. There was never a Ducketts Green anywhere ever in those days -  if called anything the area was always called West Green; even though it is east of the 'green'/common!However it did have it's own 'green' - the triangle known sometimes itself as West Green and even at one time The Pleasaunce - tres posh! 

I love the idea of calling it The Fiver because the Queens and the Duke at either end!

That was exactly what i was thinking/going to say.

I was born and grew up in that area and have never known it be called anything else!

Always Ducketts Common in my day - 1941-1963.

Relatively modern meaning late nineteenth/early twentieth century.  I wrote above that I was referring to a "historical name". In that context, for me late nineteenth/early twentieth century is modern. Sorry if I misled you. I trust that you all post-date that period!!

Should you need something to touch and see, here are a couple of maps.

The first is an excerpt from the Wyld Map of 1872. The small settlement of Duckett's Green got absorbed into London along with West Green and Wood Green. The old buildings cane down in the sixties and were replaced with the council ones that are there today. This building is probably one of those shown on the map.

Below is an excerpt from the 'Plan of The Borough of Hornsey' drawn up by the Borough Surveyor in 1925, bu which time Duckett's Green appears to have moved to the west and being used for the common ground set out in around 1900 (see second newspaper article below).



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