Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
David Lammy
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Permalink Reply by Seema Chandwani on
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To be fair David [and Lynne] are not in the country due to political business. So technically they didn't abstain, they were absent.
Gutting though, as I'm confident David would've voted for the Labour motion.
I'm not sure how parliament motions work in regards to timings, like who decides the schedule when a motion would be heard/voted upon. Or why in this day and age, they can't vote via proxy by logging online like they do in auction rooms!
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Permalink Reply by Sharon on
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What a shame they were out of the country for such an important vote! Makes me wonder what they get paid for. Thanks for that though Seema.
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Permalink Reply by John McMullan on
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31 of them were unavailable. Now that I know what I know about how the Labour Party conducts elections I can see that this was a PR exercise aimed at making the libdems look heartless by voting with the government. They knew they did not have the numbers.
Some real opposition to the bedroom tax would be to offer to pay it for people from the Labour Party's coffers. Now THAT would be PR.
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The Lib Dems who were present and in the country could have voted against the Bedroom Tax. They did not. That is a fact, regardless of how you twist it.
Besides, the Lib Dems also voted for the welfare 'reforms' which included the Bedroom Tax, the Welfare Cap and the abolishing of the Council Tax benefit. So if they didn't do that, there would be no need to have a vote for MPs to be absent at!
The only people who make the Lib Dems look heartless are themselves.
As I said, I don't know how they arrange the timings of these votes. I assume Parliament have to allocate when there is space to sit and there is a process to follow. If David [and Lynne] had to be out of the country on political business, it is gutting.
The debates in Haringey over the Bedroom tax has been very clear the Lib Dems support it. A nasty policy where they think moving human beings, like cargo into smaller warehouses regardless of where in the country it is. They have viewed this as a logistical exercise not one that involves human lives, children whose education is being disrupted or people being uprooted away from their families. These people's lives are nothing except coloured stickers on a rubix cube to them.
Please do not conflate the two arguments to include one you are having elsewhere on this forum. Especially as people who voted Lib Dems most certainly did not vote Tory but got Tory after two rich men, called Clegg and Cameron struck a 'deal' where the hell is the democracy in that?
David Lammy works exceptionally hard to deal with the overwhelming amount of people in his constitency who have been battered by these reforms, especially as Haringey was chosen as a guinea pig borough to test out these ill-thought through reforms. A test that Lynne Featherstone celebrated as a success only two weeks ago in her blog.
Earlier this year, David invited people who had been impacted upon to Tottenham Leisure Centre to provide them with access to support from advice organisations. The hall was bulging with desperate people. This is on top of daily calls/emails to his office and the people who come to his surgery.
Labour have pledged to abolish the Bedroom Tax if/when they come into power in 2015. People now know what they have to do in May 2015.
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David Lammy should've made it a priority to be there and yes, the lib dems dont need any help making themselves look heartless.
I have voted Labour all of my life but will never vote again, the lot of em are interested only in lining their own pockets. We need a real alternative.
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It would have been pointless, they were short by more than 30 votes. What would coming back from wherever he was have achieved?
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What were they doing that was more important than this? for me, its just another nail in the coffin.
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I thought they co-ordinated with one another to always makes sure equal numbers were on holiday at the same time from both sides of the house.
I know they have the nickname "House of Twits" but the civil servants who organise them must be pretty orgainised.
I agree that they are providing a poor opposition. They're gearing up for 2015 already and are happy for the Tories to vandalise all they can in the mean time hoping that they spend another 15 years away from government.
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I'd be interested to know what 'other political business' took priority over this vote for David Lammy. I have contacted him to ask.
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Permalink Reply by John D on
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Wiki - Pairing is a system whereby two members of parliament from opposing political parties may agree to abstain where one member is unable to vote, due to other commitments, illness, travel problems, etc. A party whip will usually allow this only for non-critical votes, often referred to as two-line whips.
David Lammy may have been paired with Lynn Featherstone.
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