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Yesterday when walking down Green Lanes I was nearly hit by a man riding a bike weaving in and out of the pedestrians on the pavement. The man was cycling quite quickly and if I hadn't jumped out of the way I think I would have got quite badly hurt. I have noticed that a lot of cyclists are using the pavements on Green Lanes and every time I see it I think how dangerous it is, particularly for older people who I can imagine will find it quite intimidating (I know I do!) These people are not children and really should be cycling on the road.

Has anyone else experienced this problem on Green Lanes?

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I can't say I've particularly noticed it as a problem. You do occasionally see someone hitch their bike up onto the pavement and roll along for a while to get round a bus stopping traffic or similar (which I do think shouldn't be done but is unfortunately going to happen given the state of Green Lanes in rush hour with all the parked cars).

I think it's one of those things where perception is worse than reality. Motor vehicles kill and injure vastly more people on the pavements than bikes do but people seem to get a lot more het up about cyclists on the pavement.

Facts ? Figures ?

I had a chart come through on Twitter recently that will be hard to track down but to be honest John D, you're trolling.

I think the young men racing up and down Green Lanes on bicycles are couriers for the drug dealers so maybe the problem has been alleviated... Again, why the hell do you draw attention to yourself when you're committing a crime? If the police on Green Lanes (oh wait, they prefer to go up and down the passage on their horses) did stop-and-search of people riding bicycles on the footpath I'm sure they'd find something interesting and what they hey, they're breaking the law already.

Is it trolling to ask Andrew for evidence to back up a wild assertion ? One difference is the cyclists deliberately ride on the pavement but motor vehicles generally do so only where the driver loses control.

It's not wild. Google is your friend.

That's precisely what I was asking for John. Thanks

Here we go:

In Great Britain between 2008 and 2012, there were 2 pedestrian deaths involving cyclists on pavements or verges, whereas on average, 39 pedestrians each year were killed by motor vehicles on pavements/verges.
In London (1998-2007), just 2% of pedestrian collision injuries on the pavement involved cycles; the other 98% involved motor vehicles

https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/road-accidents-and-safety...

Personally I'd prefer a statistically insignificant risk of someone hurting me through their deliberate actions than a far higher chance of injury through negligence.

I prefer to base these kind of things on facts rather than perception which was my original point.

But, your personal preferences aside,  how many of the average 39 pa deaths were caused by motor vehicles being deliberately driven on the pavement/verges ? Beware of apples and pears

So you think that cyclists deliberately, ride into people?

I know you didnt say that, but the your logic kinda leads to that conclusion.

To be honest I don't really care. You're just as dead whether or not it was deliberate.

I'd also suggest that a driver losing control isn't something that generally just happens, I would think that it is often due to speeding, not paying attention to the road ahead and reacting late, etc.  which is also a deliberate act. This is a wild assertion but I feel it is a reasonable assumption.

Driver distraction is mostly due to  the driver looking at pedestrians on the pavement.

Ban pedestrians from pavements, I say. :P

Don't know about Green Lanes but in our road in N15, cyclists think it's OK to cycle on the pavement because it's a one way road. So they cycle on the pavement and in the direction opposite to traffic. How is that acceptable?

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