Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Council Seeks to Move Crossrail 2 from Centre to North of Borough - Last Chance to TfL What you Think
As a result of the Council's aspirations for Wood Green, a further option has been added to the Crossrail 2 route. They want the Ally Pally option routed via Wood Green instead of Turnpike Lane.
Whilst this option may serve the Council's own aspirations, it moves the station away from a point that's as close to the centre of the borough as it's possible to get to one towards the northern boundary. The Turnpike Lane option also looks to be much better connected by road and I believe by bus too. What's more is that the Wood Green option would call for a huge ventilation shaft to be dug in Downhill's Park.
The TfL consultation ends on 8th Jan. If you'd like to have your say on this option click through to the consultation main page or go straight to the questions (If you're only interested in this part of the consultation, you need do no more than answer four questions and give your name.
Tags for Forum Posts: crossrail, crossrail 2
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Permalink Reply by Rod Wells on
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Hi all
STOP the BUILDING ON DOWNHILLS PARK
I join this discussion giving the Friends of Downhills Park perspective. We would be in very much favour of the Turnpike lane Option as the Wood Green option means building a 2 storey Escape Building/Shaft in Downhills Park destoying the corner of our lovely Victorian park .
If you care for the park complete and want the more convenient Turnpike Lane option then fill in the consultation today BY 5 PM ! at
The main objections from the Friends of Downhills are :
· Permanent loss of land in Downhills Park ;·
Create massive disruption for five years whilst construction takes place;
· Obstruction of the existing running track round the recreation ground;
· Worsen the serious traffic-congestion problems in the surrounding roads for residents for up to five years:and
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Crecreate a 25-metre (or larger) Building over the completed shaft and leave one corner of Downhills Park with a permanent eyesore.
Full details of the plans the Seven Sisters Route at...
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/user_upload...And you will note details of the Crossrail2 shafts here and note they are normally covered by existing buildings not located in parks….
https://consultations.tfl.gov.uk/crossrail2/october2015/user_upload...The closing date is TODAY 8 January 2016 and I would urge you to send in an objection NOW
www.crossrail2.co.ukRod Wells
One of the Friends of Downhills Park
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Permalink Reply by byl999 on
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Thank you Rod Wells for this; where does one 'go' after opening www.crossrail2.co.uk page??
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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I've given links and directions to get to the consultation page in my original posting.
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Completed my response to the consultation this evening. I'm really not thrilled with either of the proposals, and I keep going back and forth weighing it all up.
I live close to Alexandra Palace and close to the work sites - so there would be 5-8 years of potential grief, plus I'm really not convinced that the small area around the station can handle the additional traffic and people. It would definitely change the nature of the place and eat up one of our favourite parks. But I can see that most people seem to prefer this option; I can obviously see the advantage for rail connections.
Someone else suggested Wood Green and Harringay as an alternative. I'm not keen on the Wood Green option either (the loss of the cinema would grieve me and I don't want to see Downhills Park compromised). I would prefer something away from the High Road to open up the centre of Wood Green - but I understand that that is not what Crossrail 2 is intended to do.
Don't want to be a nimby. Don't want to stand in the way of progress. Want the area to do well. Just obviously concerned about what this means for places I care about. Want everything to somehow be okay for everyone but don't trust either Crossrail or Haringey Council to bring this about.
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Thank you again Kate, for a great summary of the situation, especially your last sentence
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Permalink Reply by Clive Carter on
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PERHAPS my main motivation for supporting TfL's original route is that it would be a big supportive plank under Ally Pally. However, when contemplating such important, expensive infrastructure for this global city, neither AP Palace nor a local council's plans to attract property developers, are of great consequence.
It's important to think of the Crossrails not as alternative Underground lines, but as a subterranean heavy-duty railway lines.
I've been speaking to a London transport expert recently and the original route was conceived for good sound metropolis transport reasons, especially balancing load and spreading it out more evenly. Wood Green fails by taking into account little more than parochial considerations. By contrast, Alexandra Palace is a node on the main East Coast Line.
Moreover, it is clear that Tottenham's MP favours the transport-serious route. I note on his website the original plan (above; click to enlarge) that makes no mention of the half-baked, Johnny-come-lately, Wood Green option.
David Lammy's views aren't incidental in the matter: he happens to Chair the All-Party Parliamentary Committee on Crossrail 2.
By advocating a blinkered developer-agenda (to be pushed again in Cannes), Haringey gets in wrong in a number ways and Crossrail 2 is an example.
C D Carter
Highgate Ward
Liberal Democrat Party
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson on
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There was an item in the new last week about the proposed Kings Road Chelsea station. The locals aren't keen at all. Interesting to see whose views carry more weight, the citizens of SW3 or N22.
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Michael, incidentally, the Council Minority Group favours the Turnpike Lane and Ally Pally route over the Wood Green route (I won't reproduce the press release, but some reasons are on a link here).
By contrast, the Council's favoured option for redevelopment around Wood Green centre (that will happen one way or another anyway) is Option 4 that is predicated on TfL going for a Crossrail 2 station at Wood Green. I believe that is unlikely, and if it does not come to pass, it could mean wasted time and effort.
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THE factors that are likely to weigh heavily in the choice of Crossrail 2 route are large-scale, London-wide. The two maps below (click to enlarge) help to illustrate the route from the big-transport perspective of TfL:
A Crossrail 2 route that includes Alexandra Palace leverages not one, but
two big railway feeder lines (above, also here).This map adds in the Underground lines and makes the point slightly less clearly
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