Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
As a Londoner do you welcome the new focus on the north?
As a Londoner, I'm quite comfortable with our city sharing the limelight with other regions that's currently being occasioned by Burnham. I'm somewhat apprehensive that political expediency will overcook the cake, but I hope that our city's importance will protect us against that. In the meantime, the rebalancing seems appropriate to me.
Am I a lone voice or are Londoners generally more fair-minded that some in the press would have us?
Map from "Northern England", Wikipedia
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Permalink Reply by adamvietnam
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In my experience, Sunderland had a pretty good bus service up until Covid - reasonably often and surprisingly punctual.
Since Covid - terrible. One bus an hour in the evening on prime routes ( E1 / E2 etc) and even they often just don't turn up. It's like Stagecoach just gave up.
Bring back The Jolly Bus !
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Permalink Reply by Michael Anderson
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My family are way out near the Nissan factory. If you don’t set off home by 6pm you may as well forget it.
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Permalink Reply by kas
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I am looking at the Joseph Rowntree Foundation's UK Poverty Report 2026. They issue these annually and are considered one of the leading voices on Poverty. According to the report, "London consistently had one of the highest rates of poverty among UK nations and regions..." Indeed, their "Average number of people in poverty and poverty rates by UK nation/region, 2021–24" shows London top (not North East or North West etc) with 26% said to be living in poverty. The high and higher rate in London is put down to the cost of housing in particular. Take out housing costs and London would fare better. Of course, London may also have a higher percentage of wealth but I haven't got those figures to hand, but to suggest moving resources from South to North to even things out, fails to recognise from whom in the South those resources are being taken and to whom in the North those resources are given. If it's on the basis of poverty, we should expect more resources for London.
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It’s useful to look at overall deprivation as well as poverty. The Indices of Multiple Deprivation does that.
Yes, London has some pockets of deep poverty, Tower Hamlets is ranked 68th most deprived out of 296 local authorities. But sticking to the town I know best Sunderland is ranked 20th with over a quarter of neighbourhoods in the highly deprived category. Unless you have visited areas like Hendon, Southwick, Redhouse, Town End Farm, Hylton Castle, Downhill, Pennywell, Marley Potts, Millfield, Pallion, Monkwearmouth and the East End in Sunderland it’s hard to appreciate what this deprivation looks like. In those areas child poverty stands at 40% of all households.
Just down the road is Middlesborough which is ranked the most deprived town in England, with half of all neighbourhoods classed as highly deprived.
Every single one of the areas with a third or more neighbourhood experiencing high deprivation levels is north of the Humber Estuary.
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Permalink Reply by Jamie Harper
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Kas and Michael
Statistically they appear to capture very similar things. Using the child poverty measure (as it has a far more useful and granular data series), and plotting against the deprivation data by Local authority, it's remarkable how similar Sunderland and Haringey are! The link below should open an interactive version of the chart so you can see each local authority. Plenty of northern and London names in the upper right. https://brilliant-alpaca-85d71f.netlify.app/
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