Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
ALTERNATIVE WARDS CORNER PLANNING APP. TO SAVE BUILDING SUBMITTED ~ SUPPORT IT!
The Wards Corner Community Plan has been submitted to the Council after a long hard slog and a lot of hard work! Have a look at the application and submit your SUPPORT (if indeed you do.)
This plan is an alternative to the imposing characterless flats which are currently planned for the site by corporate bullies Grainger, and would retain the wonderful architectural heritage of the Wards Corner and Market buildings as well as the traders who currently operate from the market.
BREAKDOWN OF THE ALTERNATIVE PLAN, SCROLL DOWN FOR ARTIST IMPRESSION IMAGES :
https://wardscornercommunityplan.wordpress.com/
ACTUAL PLANNING APPLICATION: reference: HGY/2014/0575
As of tuesday 18th March, the planning portal is down- please keep checking back.
http://www.planningservices.haringey.gov.uk/portal/servlets/Applica...
THANK YOU
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Permalink Reply by abigail stevenson on
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Hi Pam,
Just to correct you on the housing provision element of the debate. When we did our exhibition and consultation back in Dec 2011 the community plan did have housing in the mix.
However, as the design developed we changed the use of the second floor of the terrace to a hub space for start up businesses, similar to the Westminster Hub.
It was felt that the space on the second floor was a bit tight for adequate housing provision and to open up the space and create a dynamic, flexible working space would feed into the ethos of business support and incubation that is at the heart of the proposal.
This proposal recognises the need for housing within the development brief area, and that is why we carried out a master planning exercise to determine other possibilities of delivering housing. This is covered in the first chapter in the design and access statement. For better resolution drawings, please follow this link to the community plan blog
http://wardscornercommunityplan.wordpress.com/
Loving the debate here, I will do my best to answer questions as they come up, however I tend not to frequent HoL too much so apologies in advance if people are left waiting.
Best Regards
Abi
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Permalink Reply by pamish on
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OK thanks. I tried looking on the plans but the text has not survived the scanning and compression.
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Permalink Reply by Justin Hinchcliffe on
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Grainger missed a trick. Had they bothered to preserve some of the building, esp the Edwardian bit on the corner, their plans would have been met with less resistance. No, all they could do,encouraged by Haringey Council, was to come up with was a bland, unimaginative and uninspiring, ugly even, design which lacks local community support. The Spitalfields market and its unique character was preserved and cherished. Why not Ward's? #HaringeyLabourVandals
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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One problem with the site, Tris, is where the tube lines run underneath. A factor at Tottenham Hale Station too. Though the "solution" proposed there is to have nine storeys.
You might want to view the video where there was expert heritage advice. Some of which questioned the uniqueness. Although of course I accept that there were strongly conflicting views. Including from different experts.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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That's the "solution" (not quite "final", though). You used to support it, remember?
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It's always reassuring to read your comments, Mr Hinchcliffe. Should the day ever come when you agree with something I've written I will be extremely worried.
Once again here's the link to the answer to this frequently asked question about my sitting as a substitute on the first Wards Corner planning application.
As I've also said before, I hope it won't seem ungrateful if I politely decline your generous offer to tell me what my views are (or were) on a particular topic.
Over the years, many people have done this and I realise it's always meant in a helpful, kindly way — to save me the bother of thinking for myself. But even now, I can still manage to do that without relying on a Party Whip to tell me what to say and think. Or reading out a briefing note written by a political assistant.
Anyway, shouldn't you be adding an informative tiny paragraph under your comment? Explaining that you chair the Tottenham Conservatives and are a prospective candidate in the forthcoming elections. I assume that Cllrs Claire Kober and Joe Goldberg give thanks every time they remember this.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor. Labour Party member )
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The engineering difficulties of this site above the underground station, were a gift to Grainger as to them it meant they could go for maximum yield, both height and per-unit cost. They are "unable" to include any social, or even affordable, housing among their dwellings, as they would have to recover the cost of the build. To avoid damaging the three tunnels of the tube, and especially the escalators which stop working if they go 5mm out of alignment, their plan builds a huge raft across the whole site. They would have to sink piles 100 foot down. As I live within earshot, that's reason enough for me to oppose it, let alone the hideous appearance of the finished slabs. Then two years of disruption, noise and filth.
Cement manufacture accounts for 10% of global CO2 production.
Yet Wards can be restored for a fraction of the disruption and cost, and keep all those small businesses going, as well as continuing to be an important cultural hub for the c. one million Iberian people who live in London. Simple.
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I don't think the corner building is above the station, but one of the tunnels may be under it. That's why the G-plan has the two 7-storey towers at either end of the block, then dips down to three? two/ stories in the middle. The station entrance is shallow, only about 1metre below the pavement.
The tube was built in 1971 IIRC, so being undisturbed for 50 years has suited it all so far.
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What's seems to be missing from this discussion, Tris, is the view of Grainger. As you seem very interested in the whole site and the options, you may find it useful to get information directly from them.
Of course, the Wards Corner Coalition may have been in useful dialogue with them. Or perhaps not.
Also if you haven't yet come across it, the webpage: The Secret Life of Seven Sisters may answer some of your questions about the tunnels. I know about it only through the blogger Diamond Geezer, who mentions the link to the Northumberland Park Victoria Line Depot.
The webpage also comments about the (un)feasibility of building a spur of the Victoria Line to Northumberland Park. This would be desirable from the viewpoint of residents there. And indeed has been included in the regeneration half-promises in the Plan For Tottenham. But unfortunately if people think it is a firm promise, it's actually one more untruth. A recent assessment by Transport for London which I've seen suggests it's now less likely than before to be built.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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Tris, I never start by assuming that it's pointless to talk to someone - or some organisation - because, well, they just wouldn't be prepared to listen or change, would they?
Or at least not without a track record of that person/organisation being entirely unbending, uncooperative, untrustworthy etc. Doesn't mean people have to like or agree with one another. But I think it's often worth a try.
(Tottenham Hale ward councillor)
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