Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
10 April St Anns Byelection - help oust Labour
Remember to vote or Labour will get in again and it will be the same old story for a few more years.
The Greens nearly won last time and only need a handful more votes to get across the line.
And remember to take ID.
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Permalink Reply by Gordon Farcas on
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I don't think it's the splitting of votes on the right but splitting of votes along class and patriotic lines across the political spectrum.
For instance, many traditionally Labour-held seats in working class areas are moving to Reform. Similarly, working class people in traditionally Conservative-held seats are moving to Reform too.
Basically, those who suffer the worst effects of globalisation and mass uncontrolled immigration are voting Reform because noone else is listening to them. This is not just the English, Scottish and Welsh but also the broader British population including the second and third generation Carribeans and Indians who arrived before the 1990s.
The middle classes in the inner cities who have gained from mass immigration (eg. Tax free, cheap cleaners, handymen and junk food deliveries) and who have been insulated from the downsides (eg. Competition for housing, school places, medical services, suburban street crime and anti-social behaviour) are switching from Labour to the LibDems and the Greens.
The Conservatives are done for. The same is happening to Labour. They are splitting between the emergent Blue Labour movement (economically left, socially conservative and anti-globalist) and the.client Muslim vote. The latter I expect will also leave Labour as the emergent Islamic party gets stronger (5 MPs elected in this parliament) and bound to increase given the opposition among many Muslim voters to the Labour Government's position on Israel's response to the Hamas attacks.
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Permalink Reply by Alan Stanton on
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Some interesting points of view, Gordon Farcas. Though also confusing as you don't cite any persuasive sources. Or solid aurguments.
To take just one obvious and important example, it's not just Muslim voters in UK towns who may be sickened by the Israeli Government. Before you make a conclusive judgement on Hamas you might consider giving some attention to the many Israelis - often now expats - who don't condone genocide; nor the murder of civilians including babies and small children. Nor the bombing of hospitals, schools, or medics, nor UN staff. Nor taking of hostages - on either side.Whoever Does It.
Anyone seeking a scholarly factual account of events in Gaza in the years BEFORE Hamas attacked on 7 October 2023 I'd advise them to read the U.S. author Norman G.Finkelstein
Gaza: An Inquest into Its Martyrdom a book about the Gaza Strip published in 2018.In addition I urge anyone who values truth to read a collection of current pieces (now published in English) by the Israeli journalist Gideon Levy. He begins in 2014 and updates the tragedy.
"The Killing of Gaza - Reports on a Catastrophe".
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Maybe, Martin (Woodside), you'd like to believe there's some sort of inevitable Left "devouring"?
Conversely have you ever served on a jury? Or one of many focussed task groups which benefit from listening to and sharing/comparing divergent views?From a different tradition I imagine that having a formal "devil's advocate" role can lead to similar benefits.
Occasionally this time of the year I reread Dostoyevsky's story-within-a-story "The Grand Inquisitor.
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Permalink Reply by Martin (Woodside) on
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As you ask Alan...
I haven't actually served on a jury, the one time I was called up I wasn't chosen.
As for focussed task groups, largely on a commercial basis. Although It did involve new ideas and team suggestions it was tied in with the ethos of customer service, improved efficiencies, viability and departmental savings. I have also done voluntary work for schools and neighbourhood watch, both of which have meetings involving very divergent views (as you can imagine).
Although I do have some Russian novels on the shelf, my favourites has to be Guy de Maupassant's and Somerset Maugham's short stories. I am currently plodding slowly through the complete works of Saki.
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Thanks Martin.
A serious response and food for thought.
Alan
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