Harringay, Haringey - So Good they Spelt it Twice!
Tree Removal Cavendish Road
This from the Council's tree officer:
The Prunus tree located between 55/57 Cavendish Road N4 is due for removal.
The tree has been colonised by a decay fungus Ganoderma applanatum/australe. You cannot treat decay fungi once it has colonised a tree. Ganoderma species cause extensive decay of the lower trunk and root plate making the trees structurally unsound with the potential to fail at or near ground level.
Prior to removing this tree, warning signs will be erected on the trees informing residents that they are to be removed.
We will aim to plant replacement trees within Harringay Ward 2017/18 planting season.
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Permalink Reply by Antoinette on
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2017/8 is a long way off....is this a funding issue? I'd happily chip in for some new trees. A feel a community whip round coming on.....
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Could be a deliberate fallow period, so the replacement tree doesn't go the same way.
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Permalink Reply by Chris Setz on
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Hi Antoinette,
If we in Haringey Tree Wardens can help, there are match-funding grants available if people want to plant trees in their own neighbourhood. We can do all the work if needed - we're all local residents, entirely independent of LBH - we're affiliated to the Tree Council and they do a scheme, provided under 16's are actively involved. Young trees aren't very expensive - here's a typical street tree (Field Maple) that costs £160 inc VAT (delivery extra):
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This will be the second mature tree lost from the same stretch of the same side of Cavendish Road in less than three years (the other was outside Nos. 59/61, felled in June 2012).
When contacted, the council made vague noises about the prospect of replacing it one day, but nothing has happened. The council officer also mentioned that a fallow period has to be allowed before replanting in the same hole. From memory, the period given was two years.
If that figure is correct, there'd be no obstacle to replacing the lost tree at Nos. 59/61 this spring. We live at No. 59 and would happily pay towards the cost. The hole for the tree has been sealed over with tarmac but is not hard to spot.
Perhaps I am being too mistrustful, but the statement from the council, 'We will aim to plant replacement trees within Harringay Ward 2017/18 planting season', has more than one loophole. First, it's an aim, not a decision or firm policy. Second, the location of these replacement trees isn't given, only that they will be in same ward.
Further thoughts welcome!
Simon Bradley
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I see from streetview that you appear (august 2014) to have a street tree outside 63 next door and one opposite you - I'm assuming everyone wants a new tree - in some streets residents with vans particularly sometimes actively want them removed.
Compared to some streets in the east of the borough, there are plenty of trees in the ladder and I think it's provably true that more are being gradually added.
Like the private sector, the Council seem to give little info away and steer clear of specific promises they can be exposed for not having kept, whilst putting a gloss on everything - often claims are technically true, but 'political'. As far as I can see, they've been cut by a right-wing ideology that is costing more than is being saved. So they've pared everything down without telling us how or why to any great extent.
The intent behind what the officers do all day, does seem pukkha as far as I can tell - they really do care about the treescape and I know for sure they'll go the extra, unpaid mile. If you're due a tree, they have a maintenance schedule. You could simply ask them when it's to be re-instated?
If you want to sponsor a street tree, it's currently £210 and you can dedicate it to a person. Maybe the church would pay as St Pauls Centre is in Cavendish? If you get together with your neighbours, then I think you can get a grant to plant several.
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Permalink Reply by Hugh on
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Thanks for the info in this comment and your comment on Friday, Chris. Can you weave them both together and clarify where the matched funding/£160 option operates and where the £210 street tree route (boom-boom) works.
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Tree-mendous! There is little clarification because it depends on time of year, changing grant allocations etc - here's a list I've compiled of some grant sources. I reckon a local Councillor could be persuaded to find money from somewhere - after all, there is supposed to be a slice of cash available from each new development for amenities - what have they spent it on in the ladder?
The £210 option is the fixed price the council decided on. It'd be cheaper to buy it direct (£160 or so, a saving of around £50) but the Council can prevent you from planting it yourself in case you mess it up (or move) and leave them with expense.
In asking the tree service, they've been really helpful and creative, going with the flow of what residents want - that's one of the many reasons they've won my admiration - I'm not slow to criticise but these people are very good at what they do - you can see that all around us in the treescape - we've got some great trees in the borough, that's 100% down to the Council.
One one occasion the Council Tree Service suggested that I specify the tree from the large range held by one of their tree suppliers and offered to store my choice in the Council nursery - otherwise I'd have had to perform a miracle of timing and tree suppliers charge a lot extra to deliver at the moment of planting.
I called the nursery and they agreed to put the trees on the same lorry as the next Council delivery, saving me 100% of the delivery cost. The Tree Officers agreed to add their expertise to 'sign off' and supervise the work. The two Council officers who plant almost all of the street trees volunteered to come down in their time off with their (surprisingly mechanical) equipment and do the planting.
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I've found Clare Papparlardo very helpful. Simon. If you do contact her, do let us know the outcome.
Clare Pappalardo
Senior Arboricultural and Allotments Officer
Haringey Council
Arboricultural and Allotments Service5th Floor, Alexandra House,
Station Road, London, N22 7TRTel. 020 8489 5774
Email: clare.pappalardo@haringey.gov.uk
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Hugh, Chris,
Thank you for yours. Looking back through old emails, I've found the one sent by Clare Pappalardo in May 2012. In it, she says:
It is the council’s normal practice to leave a tree pit vacant for 12-18 months after the removal of a tree to allow the tree matter in the soil to decay.
Subject to funding we aim to prioritise 4 different wards each year for replacement and new tree planting. The Harringay ward is next scheduled to be targeted in the 2013/14 planting season. There is a commitment within the Council Plan to plant at least 150 new trees a year and we would seek to plant some new trees in Harringay Ward as part of this commitment.
In other words, Harringay Ward has already had its allocation. Presumably this included the young trees planted on Green Lanes, and in ones and twos at the bottom of the Ladder roads.
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There's no doubt that the Council is stretched for money and they have to spread it around. That's fair enough. I haven't kept all the emails from Clare, but I think if you contact her she'll tell you when we're next up for planting.
Of course, there's always the self-funding route too. About ten years ago, I understand, the residents of the lower half of Hewitt got together and part-funded the planting of the silver birches you see there today.
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